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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Madgic
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#341 - 2015-10-15 17:30:58 UTC
When did Eve become Facebook?

Payers don't have to play the game to earn isk, and soon they wont even have to log on to max out their skills.

No No No NO Worst Idea ever please Don't candy Crush my game.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#342 - 2015-10-15 17:30:59 UTC
This is a **** idea, do not do this
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#343 - 2015-10-15 17:31:02 UTC
Josia wrote:
My opinion: NO.

What CCP will say when they search this thread: Look 5% say they like the idea. Hooray. Let's do it Evil.

It is curious, isn't it?

Actually, no -- most of the people who dislike the idea are posting word salads rife with the tell-tale signs of an emotional outburst. Any sane person can easily discount these posts, as they add nothing.

Those who like the change typically post like me, and therefore are more worthy of consideration.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#344 - 2015-10-15 17:31:54 UTC
Josia wrote:
My opinion: NO.

What CCP will say when they search this thread: Look 5% say they like the idea. Hooray. Let's do it Evil.


Just like the PVP arena always gets a higher grade of focus in all expansions?

All other people just have to make due... booh! EVE is so unfair.

Oh wait.... stop whining.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#345 - 2015-10-15 17:32:15 UTC
Nick The HITMAN wrote:
Don't do it.
This is simply trading SP for AUR.


I suppose the fact that you have to load the extractor with SP already in someone's brain is completely lost on you.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Tzu Wu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#346 - 2015-10-15 17:32:16 UTC
Captain Africa wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!



YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did !



Don't speak for everyone man. Have you not heard of the character bazaar? Saying "we all earned it" is beyond idiotic. That's just as much p2w as this is.
Anastasia Nikolaeva
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2015-10-15 17:32:51 UTC
This is a great idea. Do this!
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#348 - 2015-10-15 17:33:15 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
Skinzee wrote:


IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!


You forget that us 'vets' had to go through the same grind as you are experiencing right now, so there is actually no unfairness on our part, it is all on your part.Blink




1. Did you enjoy waiting 16days to train for cruiser V? Im sure you didnt, Im sure you was sat in your little chair bouncing up and down wishing the time would go faster so that you could fly the ship you wanted.

2.
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
I completely agree with the notion mentioned earlier that this paying for SP actually takes away from people actually ~playing the game~.
- Seriously? You just said that? Thats one thing about this game that you dont actually play for... Its not a grind fest like other MMO's. I cant mission my way to get into a BS in 5hours. I have to wait days. Waiting is not playing. Yes, obviously you can still play the game in a frigate or cruiser or w/e you can currently fly but paying for SP does not take away the playing... infact it would make me play more because I would actually be able to play in a ship that suits me better.

I want to fly a cloaky cruiser and neut people in PvP.... Not fire tissue balls at them from my kestrel.


I see your point, but why the hell would you not play the game even when skilling into some other ship, it took me years to fly BS but i did not actually just log out and stop doing stuff. You really just start skills and then log off and play other games until your lvl 5's are finished?

Like who said that you need to fly a BS to play this game? I have so many confused questions against this mentality that i actually don't know how to ask them. Don't get me wrong no hatin' just really not getting this line of thought.
Paranoid Loyd
#349 - 2015-10-15 17:33:18 UTC
Obligatory

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#350 - 2015-10-15 17:33:37 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Oh. My. Satan.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever happened to choices having consequences? To paraphrase Kirk (in the terrible fifth old-school Star Trek film), if I should have turned left when I turned right, that makes me me. Well, guess what...now you can sell your unfortunate right turns! Better yet, you can sell it to a total clown who'll throw plex at it to become 'leet.

Or is that next?


The general pool of skill points does not change, so, how do you see the roaming off SP by skilled players not as a strategic gameplay thing?

No-one is becoming 'Leet by buying skillpoint, but by learning to fly a ship.


OF COURSE IT CHANGES ....you know how much sp is sitting in characters no one wants to buy ? and that's,s why its not hurting the game.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#351 - 2015-10-15 17:33:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
This is a **** idea, do not do this


I like your well set out path of thought.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Leisha Miranen
Doomheim
#352 - 2015-10-15 17:33:45 UTC
CCP, remember the community reaction before Fozzie Sov was released?

Same thing goinon here. And remember just how well Fozzie Sov panned out when the feedback was ignored.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#353 - 2015-10-15 17:34:24 UTC
Madgic wrote:
When did Eve become Facebook?

Payers don't have to play the game to earn isk, and soon they wont even have to log on to max out their skills.

No No No NO Worst Idea ever please Don't candy Crush my game.

Ah, yes, the onerous burden of logging in.

I have a 300 day skill queue and I can donate PLEX to my account to keep it alive from without. Clearly, the fact that I need to log in to manage it about twice a year is what made my SP have meaning.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2015-10-15 17:35:03 UTC
Querns wrote:
Josia wrote:
My opinion: NO.

What CCP will say when they search this thread: Look 5% say they like the idea. Hooray. Let's do it Evil.

It is curious, isn't it?

Actually, no -- most of the people who dislike the idea are posting word salads rife with the tell-tale signs of an emotional outburst. Any sane person can easily discount these posts, as they add nothing.

Those who like the change typically post like me, and therefore are more worthy of consideration.


I find the amount of posts by goonies whiteknighting this idea rather interesting at this point, as if the idea itself came from an important (ex)goonie... ohwait.
Lavayar
Haidamaky
UA Fleets
#355 - 2015-10-15 17:35:08 UTC
This is ****!

Are you serious?
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#356 - 2015-10-15 17:35:26 UTC
Captain Africa wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!



YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did !



RL money -> PLEX -> ISK -> Character Bazaar -> bought your way into Eve with out this idea.

So this idea basically works like the character bazaar but you get to name your character, select your gender, design your avatar, and ensure that the SP go exactly where you want.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Tado
Dead Space Industries
#357 - 2015-10-15 17:35:34 UTC
No thank you this is a terrible idea.

I have been playing this game since day one and for me this idea of yours will kill EVE for me.
Kilian Katar
Unknown Enterprises
#358 - 2015-10-15 17:36:05 UTC
Leisha Miranen wrote:
CCP, remember the community reaction before Fozzie Sov was released?

Same thing goinon here. And remember just how well Fozzie Sov panned out when the feedback was ignored.


Bit of a difference here, Sov needed to be changed, nobody could agree on how but it needed it. There is NO need for this current proposal other than CCP's bank balance.
Grimar Leifson
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#359 - 2015-10-15 17:36:08 UTC
I think this is a bad idea.

Buying skillpoints for money is always a bad idea. Doesn't matter if ingame money or real money (which is basically the same in eve terms).

A skill I've just bought doesn't feel als exciting as a skill that I've actually spent some time training for.

Also people will just grind isk not to buy ships and blow them up, but to buy skills and more skills. I don't see that helping the climate of eve one bit. Actually more people likely get bored if they

Instead of investing time in something like this CCP should rather fix the hideous thing that is the attribute and remap system. And the fix would be rather easy: no neural remaps, every attribute has the same basis value of 27 and we keep the learning implants so that pod traveling is still risky.

No more postponing skilltrains into new ships or roles just because it is suboptimal with the current remap which basically only hurts the players younger than 2 years. Overall skilltraining would also be a bit faster (but not much) which is also a good sideeffect since the training time for individual skills only increases by a small amount compared to current optimal primary/secondary attribute remaps (the difference between the full 27 points in the secondary attribute to the usual 21 points with current perfect remaps).

That would be something worth investing development time into CCP. But you guys rather work on something that doesn't really benefit the playerbase as much as it hurts it. Which I can kind of understand since you're a business and it will make you shitloads of money.
Alladir
Alladarium
#360 - 2015-10-15 17:36:22 UTC
It would be nice if most ppl who are against it would at least argument their opinions. Most ppl either just post a "no" reply or use arguments that are easily countered like "pay 2 win" when sp and even ships won't compensate player skill, or "everyone should train char from scratch / buying skills for plex is bad" when there is a char bazaar.