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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Lucian Solomon
KILL MODE ACTIVATED
#321 - 2015-10-15 17:25:57 UTC
It's primarily all the players that did not have the luxury all the young ones get to have.

Remember all the salties not wanting to let go of the learning skills :)
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#322 - 2015-10-15 17:26:12 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!



YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did !
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#323 - 2015-10-15 17:26:15 UTC
CCP please do this I want to make 5 more mining alts with names I made. Looking forward to this thank you.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#324 - 2015-10-15 17:26:42 UTC
Lucian Solomon wrote:
With this many tears you're on to something big CCP. Keep up the good work. It's the future, plug me in, load em up

I'm going to learn jiu jitsu.

+1

That it took 15 pages for someone to (basically) make this reference to The Matrix astounds me.

I would have made it myself, but I had more substantive things to say. (Not to discount the value of a good reference.)

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Acks
RONA Corporation
Blue Sun Interstellar Technologies
#325 - 2015-10-15 17:26:44 UTC
This is about as wrong a way to handle this as possible. I can not emphasize that strongly enough

1) There should NEVER be the ability to buy SP. Period full stop. SP should have to be trained. A trained character should not be able to be dissected and sold off for parts. The prestige of having SP is the work and effort put into developing the character, warts and all.

2) Adding a more streamlined method for FULL character sales would be welcome.

3) Adding the ability to rename a bought character is a regular request but a hard one. I would say that if the owner of the new account is different from the previous one that a rename is allowed and that toon could not be sold back to the original owner after a rename. IE do not allow a player to scrub the reputation off their toons.

All that being said, PLEASE do not implement this as proposed.
Thirdsin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#326 - 2015-10-15 17:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Thirdsin
If this goes live I'd like some way of knowing if a character injected one of these pay-to-win packets. If someone comes into local, I can show info and make some sort of judgement call on what they might be in based on character age, history etc.
Obviously this won't happen, frustrating. Changes to gameplay and meta aside, this is another animal completely.

edit:
A note for everyone so excited to BUY these skill packets...
If you are all buying, who is selling?
I do wonder how much you will be willing to spend on these high demand, low supply commodities.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#327 - 2015-10-15 17:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: HarlyQ
Captain Africa wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!



YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did !

Get out of this game you idiot. You do realize that you can buy a character from the bazar right.
Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#328 - 2015-10-15 17:27:28 UTC
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
Skinzee wrote:


IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!


You forget that us 'vets' had to go through the same grind as you are experiencing right now, so there is actually no unfairness on our part, it is all on your part.Blink




1. Did you enjoy waiting 16days to train for cruiser V? Im sure you didnt, Im sure you was sat in your little chair bouncing up and down wishing the time would go faster so that you could fly the ship you wanted.

2.
SFX Bladerunner wrote:
I completely agree with the notion mentioned earlier that this paying for SP actually takes away from people actually ~playing the game~.
- Seriously? You just said that? Thats one thing about this game that you dont actually play for... Its not a grind fest like other MMO's. I cant mission my way to get into a BS in 5hours. I have to wait days. Waiting is not playing. Yes, obviously you can still play the game in a frigate or cruiser or w/e you can currently fly but paying for SP does not take away the playing... infact it would make me play more because I would actually be able to play in a ship that suits me better.

I want to fly a cloaky cruiser and neut people in PvP.... Not fire tissue balls at them from my kestrel.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#329 - 2015-10-15 17:27:55 UTC
Ripard Teg wrote:
OK, I've calmed down slightly. Let's give you guys some specific feedback so that you understand what a ******* terrible idea this is.

I have an alt I bought on the bazaar years ago. He has 82 million SP. Much of it is focused on mining and reprocessing, skills I haven't used in years. As long as I'm a whale...

Step 1: Pump a ton of Aurum into CCP to buy 84 Transneural Skill Extractors.
Step 2: Use them to create 84 Transneural Skill Packets for a total of 42 million SP.
Step 3: Consume 25 of them myself to bring myself to 50 million SP, dumping my useless SP and focusing this alt on incursion-running.
Step 4: Sell 59 Transneural Skill Packets on the market, making it more or less unnecessary for me to actually run incursions for a while since 59 of these are going to be worth a ton of ISK.

And that doesn't even get into the matter of using those 84 Packets to more or less instantly jump a new character from 0 to 40 million SP. Character ages and birth dates will become completely meaningless.

Again, I can do these things as long as I'm a whale and pump a ton of money into CCP for the 84 Transneural Skill Extractors.

Am I missing anything here? Who in God's name thought this was a good idea? Can we sell them to Riot?


How is that different from:

Step 1: Pump a ton of Aurum into CCP to buy 84 PLEX.
Step 2: Sell 25 PLEX in Jita to get some isk.
Step 3: Buy a character on the bazaar. dumping my useless char and buying a char for incursion-running.
Step 4: Sell 59 PLEX on the market, making it more or less unnecessary for me to actually run incursions for a while since 59 of these are going to be worth a ton of ISK.

Like the only argument that stands will be the assessment of age = sp which could lead to silly situations yeah, but 99% of the time people look at shiptype anyway.

PS: as an FYI i did not do math science majicks on the conversions Aurum/Plex to sp ratio thingy mabob. My point is just that if someone wants to buy a 200mil sp char right now that option already exists via the " $ to PLEX to Character Bazaar" formulae.

K04 78
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#330 - 2015-10-15 17:28:05 UTC
Hell NO!

First of all, it would be a kick in the balls of every older player.
We've spent months over months to get all the cool skills. And you plan to give kiddies with too much money the tools to Instalearn ?

And second:
I dont know how others think of this, but a huge part of the "fun", or more precisely, the motivation, that keept me playing this game, was to reach the next ship, make it as perfect as possible and win fights by overwhelming skills (and fittings Shocked).

If you release this, you'll just remove that moviation factor. It's a bit like cheating in games. It may get you through a level fast, but it completely removes the fun and challange.

And this is something, that makes EVE different to all the other games out there:
Having a hard time mastering it, and "learning" it. You just need time, to get into all the ships. Character basar is bad enough. But I understand, that ppl will always buy chars by ebay etc, so you counter it. Thats fine. But THIS is just a very stupid way to earn cash by raping your child

Please don't!


Josia
Sunrise Services
#331 - 2015-10-15 17:28:29 UTC
My opinion: NO.

What CCP will say when they search this thread: Look 5% say they like the idea. Hooray. Let's do it Evil.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#332 - 2015-10-15 17:28:58 UTC
Acks wrote:
This is about as wrong a way to handle this as possible. I can not emphasize that strongly enough

1) There should NEVER be the ability to buy SP. Period full stop.

The existence of the character bazaar must really irk you.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Kilian Katar
Unknown Enterprises
#333 - 2015-10-15 17:29:28 UTC
As some people have already pointed out slightly let me explain why it is bad for people, at present, there are 4 pretty solid ways of making isk in the game, Incursions, Wormhole sites, Carrier Ratting, Null Mining, and yes I am sure there are plenty of other ways to make isk, but these are the strongest I have seen recently.

Now each of these carries risk, Sansha kills some incursioners quite regularly, and requires a fair bit of isk investment for a decent ship. Wormholes, Sleepers are rather dangerous, you have no local and can be killed without penalty, Null Mining, usually with a fleet this presents a nice target for bombers, black ops and capitals. and well carrier ratting... huge ship with slow align probably afk and relies on others to escape (cyno) all have risk to make isk.


With this proposal from ccp. I could make 5 accounts that I wouldn't need multiple monitors or input broadcasting for, each with 3 characters (if restrictions were put in place on how often you can skill extract) with a small investment of +5 implants in two attributes and completely remapping towards those skills., and only having one character on each account training at a time, (switching as each gets to its limit) I could farm **** tonne of SP in a short space of time and sell it on with ZERO risk too myself, yes thats right zero isk, even station traders have risk, if markets go south, this method would be risk free, never undocking and SP would maintain a certain level of worth because of the cost involved of keeping characters training, extracting the sp, selling the sp, and making a profit.
Lucian Solomon
KILL MODE ACTIVATED
#334 - 2015-10-15 17:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucian Solomon
Querns wrote:
Lucian Solomon wrote:
With this many tears you're on to something big CCP. Keep up the good work. It's the future, plug me in, load em up

I'm going to learn jiu jitsu.

+1

That it took 15 pages for someone to (basically) make this reference to The Matrix astounds me.

I would have made it myself, but I had more substantive things to say. (Not to discount the value of a good reference.)


Load up the grid gentlemen. This is going to be AMAZING for pvp ;)
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#335 - 2015-10-15 17:29:48 UTC
Josia wrote:
My opinion: NO.

What CCP will say when they search this thread: Look 5% say they like the idea. Hooray. Let's do it Evil.

I hope that is what happens since we can already buy focused pilots off the bazaar.
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#336 - 2015-10-15 17:29:55 UTC
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Oh. My. Satan.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever happened to choices having consequences? To paraphrase Kirk (in the terrible fifth old-school Star Trek film), if I should have turned left when I turned right, that makes me me. Well, guess what...now you can sell your unfortunate right turns! Better yet, you can sell it to a total clown who'll throw plex at it to become 'leet.

Or is that next?


The general pool of skill points does not change, so, how do you see the roaming off SP by skilled players not as a strategic gameplay thing?

No-one is becoming 'Leet by buying skillpoint, but by learning to fly a ship.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

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Nick The HITMAN
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#337 - 2015-10-15 17:30:02 UTC
Don't do it.
This is simply trading SP for AUR.

Sir Gankal0t
5th Element Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
#338 - 2015-10-15 17:30:45 UTC
hmmmm i have to think about this one and see whats coming out of the hat of CCP, as i read the blog now my first thoughts are NO.
We have to wait and see....Question
Silvy Yanumano
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#339 - 2015-10-15 17:30:49 UTC
Drilla wrote:
Querns wrote:
Drilla wrote:
Querns wrote:


Yeah, how dare the game be more accessible!


Because every time it's made more accessible it has increased the userbase right? That's why there are more online now than 5 years ago right?

Correlation is not causation.


If you understood EVE and had played it long enough, you (and CCP) would know the only thing that brings in new players and retains them in any significant numbers are vets. Penalizing vets are just plain stupid.

You can put all the makeup on the pig you want, it's still a pig - vets bring the sandbox to life and that is what retains the new players.


My only interaction with vets as a new player was listening to them complain about every little thing ever and tell me I didn't have enough sp. So, one of us is full of crap.
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON.
Get Off My Lawn
#340 - 2015-10-15 17:30:53 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!


Just to make it clear in the 70days till your favorit ship you will discover what else is also needed.. etc. and than start training more and get more addicted to the game. maybe you will buy a plex to get some isk. but that's it. you will continue if you make it for a long time inf EVE.

on the other hand you spend now 30€ for your 10m SP you want.. and another 30€ in plex and a month gametime. get board and stop playing EVE - congrats - you have won pay to win..

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