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And as I've said, correlation is not causation.

Really, how many characters with 2+ years of time and very few skills do you think there are?

I'm very much against the idea, and I've already posted my concerns (and how I plan on abusing this) earlier. I will, however, also offer my own opinions on balancing it, in case it's going to go through regardless.

The SP loss is too low, and it allows usage for people with too much SP. Reduce the SP gained from the packs by 20% (of the max) every 5 mil SP.

0 to 5 mil would receive the full 500k.
5 to 10 mil would receive 400k.
10 to 15 mil would receive 300k.
15 to 20 mil would receive 200k.
20 to 25 mil would receive 100k.
Over 25 mil should not be able to inject them.

(I would actually have made it even more restrictive, dropping by 100k every 2 mil SP, and not gaining anything after 10 mil, but I figured that was going to be "too restrictive" considering the current tier consideration laid out in the dev blog.)

You can already create some very solid characters with 25 mil, and a lot of high-return alts can be made for 10 mil. People already use accounts to create and sell characters for the Bazaar. Instead of being sold and transferred, these chars will now only become SP mules, pumping out a new SP pack every 8 days.

I am still against the idea in its entirety.

Then you have probably no idea why you don't like this. The SP isn't created out of thin air, it's traded from a character that already has it. You should probably read it so you can formulate an actual meaningful opinion.

Absolutely not.

First, the economics are terrible. At the cost of 2 PLEX per 500,00 SP, you're not going to get any takers. That's 2B+ ISK and climbing everyday, the Character Bazaar isn't nearly so expensive.

Second, have you forgotten the threadnoughts and player reaction to Incarna? Then you explicitly promised that there would be no direct ISK for SP options and this is walking back on that promise.

Third, Eve is a game about choices, and those choices having consequences. Why put in shortcuts for undoing early choices? What's next, selling your NPC faction and NPC corp standings for ISK? Bribe CONCORD to raise your sec status to whatever you want? People make mistakes, that's how they learn. In Eve this usually leaves some kind of mark on your character sheet, whether its a skill learned, or standing altered. This should not be in any way removed, short-circuited, or avoided.

Finally, while it may marginally help newbie pilots, it can and will be abused. Rich players buying bazaar characters to strip their SPs. Or they create some of the new higher SP alts, burn some PLEX to train them up a month or two, then burn off the SP and add to the main.

This is Eve, and economic and temporal efficiency is useful. However, if the means (however inefficient) exist to push a limit, it will be pushed to it's extreme. Sure you don't need deadspace mods on a Pirate faction ship to run level 4's, they're exorbitantly expensive, but people do it all the time. ISK for SPs will be no different.

If you understood EVE and had played it long enough, you (and CCP) would know the only thing that brings in new players and retains them in any significant numbers are vets. Penalizing vets are just plain stupid.

You can put all the makeup on the pig you want, it's still a pig - vets bring the sandbox to life and that is what retains the new players.

No.

It removes the journey you take as you craft your skills.

You set a sight on being able to fly X ship with X fittings, you plan your skills, you play with EFT or Pyfa and get the fit just so, then you wait. The feeling of satisfaction you get from having spent that time training is lost when you can simply buy the skills.

The argument of pay2win is a little invalid as others have pointed out. If you are IRL rich you can simply plex up and buy a toon from the bazaar, so I'll not rely on that as an argument. However what people can buy from the bazarr is the result of other peoples actions and decisions, not tailor made toons that will meet the requirements exactly.

What this system does is allow people to forgo the consequence of their decisions by allowing you take back that which they have done wrong in the past.

If you take this toon as an example, I have been meticulous in its skill tree, it has taken me over 8 years to get here, to allow a way of someone reaching the same state by having a decent credit card is downright infuriating.

I understand that business is business and money has to be made, but in this instance the trade off is devaluing existing players by attacking the only thing we have that is worth something in this game....time. The time we as players have spent in this world, the time we have invested in building our toons skills, the time we have put into skilling in all different directions would become something which can be bought and sold.

Aside from the above I feel that it would make eve a very bland place where alliances could just instruct you to have your skills in x y and z, where each balance pass that creates a new flavour of the month ship is nothing more than a money grabbing exercise and actually becomes something which is no longer unintentional.

For shame.

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Okay, I'm wondering why the character bazaar has not drawn your ire long ago?

Selling that character would probably net you 16 billion ISK. Probably about the same as you'll be able to get for 59 skill packets. If you have a ton of ISK in game you can buy an incursion runner on the character bazaar. If you have a ton RL money you can buy PLEX, sell them for ISK and then...buy that incursion runner. Buy some extra PLEX and you'll have a ton of ISK too.

I'm not defending the idea here, but dude....you are starting to sound hysterical.

This is a bad idea.


I am happy with EVE being a game with little to no rules in terms of player conduct.
I can accept the fact that some dude who's only been playing for a few months can make more money than me in a days work of scamming and getting lucky than I do in a years time.
I can even accept the fact that people who've gotten super rich to the point of measuring their networth in trillions of isk can just buy toons with any amount of SP to them and do whatever with them.

This however, I cannot accept.
While I know that EVE is a -skills- based game and your actual amount of SP isn't indicative of your ability to be successful in EVE, the simplicity that you propose in converting ISK to SP for your -already existing- character(s) is staggeringly game breaking.


I do not condone this feature and hereby would like to give my unconditional vote AGAINST the ability to extract/inject SP points.
SP points should be passively earned over time, period.

The idea of an in-game character bazaar however, where you can put your toons up for sale and automatically link their relevant information like eveboard only ingame without mucking about on websites and with the ability to filter/select/sort from the characterbazaar ingame would be AMAZING.

I can imagine myself opening the characterbazaar, selecting a bunch of skills and levels that are mandatory and a few that are desired and then filtering the offerings on that sorted by price/SP.... Being able to just place a bid on them or directly purchase them by selecting the Buyout option (all optional things for the seller to set ofc.)...

Make THAT happen, and make us all happy. if you implement THAT properly, we will applaud you and commend you for it.
If you make this SP for ISK thing, nobody is going to like you.

I cannot take you seriously, for three reasons:

1) that face
2) you are a goon
3) you agree with ccp...