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I don't get all the hate EVE already has a pay to win option. Anyone with to much real life money and not enough brains or patience can drop several hundred dollars on a bought toon then a pile of PLEX. You may or may not figure out how to play well but you can go from zero to high skill and high end ships with out ever undocking once and in a few hours.

I assume it doesn't happen much because you have to pay ALOT to win.

IDEA: If this happens can we get some sort of slop bucket to train points we intend to sell? I have no interest in capital ships and I'm nearly max SP on the things I want. I would trade SP for ISK. I just don't want to give up the stuff I have now.

This is the biggest mechanics issue I've seen pointed out so far. Easy enough to fix, of course... do not allow skills to be extracted that are pre-reqs for any other skills that will remain injected on the character.



This is a system I wouldn't mind seeing. An alternative biomass button that costs two PLEX and puts a bunch of transneural paks into the account's redeeming tab based on SP of the character that was just melted down. If CCP is looking for more cash to stay afloat, then I'd even be fine with the PLEX cost of that button scaling to the number of paks created in this way in order to mirror the escalating $ CCP gets out of high-SP swaps under their new proposed system.

I'd be even happier to see TSP injection restricted to characters no older than 30-days at a fixed 1:1 rate, so this is truly a "for new characters" only thing and more closely resembles the current limitations of the bazaar. None of this scaling DR for older characters, just a flat cutoff after 30 day character age.

Don't do this!

I think high level (higher than in the dev blog) this is a good idea, it simplifies the whole process.

I do however think it has been over-simplified.

Because you simply extract SP and sell it on for someone to get unallocated SP, it removes the investment choices for those who are doing the initial training.

Currently, some keen entrepreneur could train up a toon (or several) to be say... oh I don't know... a perfect off-grid-boosts pilot then sell them on the Bazaar.

I have no idea how much SP that actually costs, for argument's sake, let's say a bajillion.

Someone else comes along, and decides they want to become a perfect OGB, and pays a price based on how valuable that toon would be. Which depending on the meta might be less valuable than a bajillion SP in drones and more valuable than a bajillion SP in social skills.

Just like everything else that comes out of this wonderfully dynamic player-driven economy, there's a fluctuating supply and demand. There is risk and reward.

With the new system, those with the presence of mind to make good SP investments (with a view to selling on the Bazaar) are not being rewarded. Whereas it's a given that in the market, that not all investments will pay off, and sometimes due to the shifting meta the market will crash (or spike) -- keeping things dynamic.

I would much rather see a direct selling of skills. When selling a perfect OGB then it might be worth a bajillion isk today, but virtually worthless 6 months from now. Whereas say a bajillion SP invested in a perfect frigate pilot might stay at a steady half-a-bajillion for years.

One of the wonderful things about this game is that if you look closely enough at an aspect of it, and learn your craft, you can make money from it. You can quit your "day job" and become a career professional. That drives ambition. When you remove these career choices, you kill ambition, and going back to flipping burgers is not fun.

I get a feeling your idea may be an excellent way to fix broken metas. If, for example, in 6 months time OGB's get smacked with the nerfbat, and they go from being the most important ship in some fleets, to absolutely and entirely pointless, then you don't really need to deal with the fallout from that, because any unwanted SP investments can be sold and recycled into useful SP. Clever? Sure. Simple? No doubt. Effective? Probably. Lazy and reductive? Yes. Those too.

So, great idea, and I'd rather see it happen as you have proposed than not at all. However, I think you can do better to preserve the risk/reward excitement.

Compromise: At least limit it to skill categories. Then we can say "hey look, 50k SP in drones is worth twice as much as 50k SP in Gunnery this week".

The attention span and reading ability of most that posted before is pretty low.

OTOH I'd rather see properly fixed pointless timewall that skills are, then providing workarounds for that with character bazaar or SP extractions (with a bit of mandatory cash shop on top).

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I think because Eve has too much E-Peen.

A lot of older players want to be forever above the younger players, and don't want them to catch up that quickly.

This new SP transfer system can be really good for Eve Online in the long run. It'll make it more noob friendly.

Wow I joined this game just in time! Soon I will be able to buy enough skill points to train a few 6 month old chars to the max in ships, industry and trade. I will be able to control whole systems by myself and will make enough in the game to play for free! Of course I won't see but a few people in a system and Jita will have 200 max at a a time, but I'll be fully skilled at the end!

I always seem to start playing a game when it's on the way out, sigh.

This is a big change which is why you're seeing a lot of knee-jerk posting. Many of these people would probably be posting similar things if you announced the character bazar would now exist.

People who think this is pay-to-win basically don't understand that pay isk for chars already exists. I think that this removes a lot of the friction which you could argue worsens the system - the character bazar has enough flaws that it doesn't really work well, which means that if it was doing damage it wouldn't do much. But it doesn't really do damage: there are idiots who spend real money to get characters but then they quickly realize SP doesn't get you all that much power. There's no real gain in listening to people just ranting about it without an argument - pay to win isn't an argument as this is shifting around SP, not creating it - and there will be a lot of traditionalist ranting. But it's a good idea, though it requires some thinking around the economy aspects to ensure you don't devalue SP.

I would put less efficiency into the process earlier because there is a lot of 'wasted' SP that goes into characters that were long ago good enough (all my main characters on accounts are 100m+ SP because why not) and you'll see a deluge of SP from old characters that don't really need the SP. That could seriously impact the SP economy by flooding the market initially. Of course there are also rich old characters - like me - with tons of isk who will just plug in packs at 10% efficiency because what the hell else will i do with the planets i have converted into storehouses for my immense stacks of isk.

There's also going to be an initial flood from people yanking out buttscratching V and other useless skills, as well as buying up horrible pubbies to put through the skillgoop extractor so you may want to create a system to slow that initial flood (limit the number of extractors that are sold, initially, for example) so that the SP leaks out into the market instead of crashes out.