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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#161 - 2015-10-15 16:30:56 UTC
Worst idea ever.
Hendrink Collie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2015-10-15 16:31:02 UTC
Querns wrote:
Cowboy Arnerette wrote:
Mr Blu wrote:
I think this is good idea.
Paying for skills is already happening in character trading. Nothing new there.
Only people against this are elitist bittervets.


Not at all true. If you look at the length of time of characters posting in this thread you'll find that very few are vets (unless you define "vet" as over 1 year old).

Clearly you have never heard of the posting alt.

Like, seriously. People actually choose to hide their affiliations when posting on eve-o. They're ashamed of who they are.


Literally scared of what people think of them based off their ideas. Kinda sad really. Blink
Kazikings
Exit Plan
Beanstalk Inc.
#163 - 2015-10-15 16:31:35 UTC
I cant wait for CCPs reaction to this community outcry - if there will be any at all.
Alt Pilot1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2015-10-15 16:32:58 UTC
This is brilliant!!
Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross
Unreasonable Bastards
#165 - 2015-10-15 16:33:06 UTC
Holy **** CCP, we've seen some bad ideas over the years, but this one takes the cake.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#166 - 2015-10-15 16:34:13 UTC
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'll up the anty:

If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.

CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.


Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account.

It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw.

Not today spaghetti.
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#167 - 2015-10-15 16:34:29 UTC
Let me direct you to another funny SP related dev post from 12 years ago.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/live-fast-die-young/

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#168 - 2015-10-15 16:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Posting in an EVE-O classic.

Come on guys, we can make this one beat the Phoebe blog if we all pull together.

Some highlights I'm particularly looking forward to;

- the comparisons to PLEX and the dilemma of arguing PLEX isn't pay to win while this SP transfer is
- entitlement from bittervets who rarely if ever log in anymore
- staunch defence of the current bazaar
- the old standby of SP doesn't really matter and how you can tackle a carrier in a 1 day atron
- deep insights into everything that's wrong with the Millennial generation
- Eve is dying
- and of course, cameos from all our favourite regular posters
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#169 - 2015-10-15 16:35:19 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'll up the anty:

If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.

CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.


Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account.

It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw.

Then why post about it at all?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Daria3war
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2015-10-15 16:35:31 UTC
Crazy idea but why not fix the current game and give people a reason to want to play. It is not new players that will save our game.


We need headline fights , SOV block warfare ..........



Not another 10k new players to farm
Scott Ormands
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2015-10-15 16:35:38 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Scott Ormands wrote:
On one hand im excited to get back the 3m sp wasted in mining on a carrier toon, on the other what is to stop me from trainging a command ship and then extracting all the boosting skills, so to speak. in that way i could still fly the command ship but would have gotten my boosting skills transfered into some other skill or sold for isk. its a way to beat the prereq system for almost anything.


The current plan is to not allow skillpoints to be extracted from skills that are requirements of other skills. So in your example you would have to remove the Command Ships skill before you could remove any prerequisite skills like Armored Warfare.
We also plan on having this be something you can only do in stations, so you wouldn't be stuck in in space in a ship you can no longer fly.



For clarity does that mean i couldn't extract sp from something like weapon upgrades at all or just if I have advanced weapon upgrades or HAC's injected/trained. Also how would this work with modules.
Tzu Wu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#172 - 2015-10-15 16:35:53 UTC
Kazikings wrote:
I cant wait for CCPs reaction to this community outcry - if there will be any at all.



I guess it depends on if CCP is more interesting in retaining newer to mid level players than to appeasing a bunch of bittervets who can't understand the concepts of change. I still don't get the difference between trading existing SP from a character and buying a character off the bazaar. I mean,either way SP is being traded for isk/converted PLEX.
Yin Zheng
Blumenkranz Academy
#173 - 2015-10-15 16:35:56 UTC
As someone who loves PVP and wants to try all the different stuff, but is struggling to do so due to being unable to properly fly this and that - thanks CCP. Thank you very much for this feature. It's great. Can't wait for it to be implemented.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#174 - 2015-10-15 16:35:57 UTC
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'll up the anty:

If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.

CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.


Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account.

It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw.

Then why post about it at all?


So my fellow forum trolls can get some entertainment from my butthurt.

Not today spaghetti.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#175 - 2015-10-15 16:36:10 UTC
More or less you remove the consequences of your actions if you decide to go through with this, which would be a loss of a major theme of what Eve is. My choices have meaning, do not take them away from me.

Now, at most, I would like to see a direct transfer of the skills themselves (instead of the SP system you are proposing or the current all-or-nothing of buying a character itself). So if I want say, Amarr Battleship 5 but I have it trained to 3, I can pay someone to "swap" skills with me. He gets ISK + my level 3 skill, and I get Amarr Battleship 5.

In reality though I think its better and probably easier to just add a 'Previously Known As' tab on character sheet and let us rename characters after we buy them.
Bruce Warhead
Incursion Citadel Network
#176 - 2015-10-15 16:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bruce Warhead
This is possible the worst change ever, people with a lot of money could at get their characters to an as high skill level as they want to. So PLEASE no!What?

This is far from changing the Character Bazzar.
People what trained their Character, for years, to get skills, would have less skills then a 1 day old char, that some one invest thousands of $ into.
You wouldn't be able to get any informations from a characters age, about his possible skills anymore.

At least, with the current system, you know if a character is like 5yr old he can have max that much skill points, and SOMEONE invest their time into training that character, made skillsplans, bought Implants and optimized the skillplans to get it done faster.

With this new system any random could start his character and just buy a lot of skillpoints and skill anything they wanted.

CCP please NO :( Sad
Villiars
#177 - 2015-10-15 16:36:22 UTC
Rather than knee-jerk say "This is a bad idea cause pay-to-win" why won't people say why its bad?

We already have "pay-to-win" in the character bazaar so don't pretend like the time you spent skilling from 0 to 100mill is sacred/special. The difference here is we have no way to understand the character's strength in terms of SP. So drop birth-date on the character sheet and just display total SP (or an SP range cause of opsec?)

I like this idea because I've trained useless skills that I'd like to refund (ex: anchoring V, trade skills, industry skills, science skills). Probably I'd send it to an alt or maybe just sell it.

As an improvement for the system It might be better to have the SP extracted be tied to the skill category. The purchaser injects the skills at a rate as proposed based on SP (maybe not as harsh) and now has a second option: inject them being tied to the original skill category OR take a 20% to inject them as purely unallocated skills to be used in any category of their choice.
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#178 - 2015-10-15 16:36:26 UTC
This is a terrible idea. Please don't.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#179 - 2015-10-15 16:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
before everyone goes mental here a few reasons why it is not pay2win:
- SP is traded between 2 chars, no SP is generated out of nothing
- SP is lost in transaction (SP sink)
- it is an alternative to an already existing feature (char bazzar)
- it is mostly only useful for young chars

and last but not least having SP and winning are two different things.

would i use it? probably not because i have too much SP already. It would be highly inefficient to use it on this char.
do i mind that noobs could potentially have high SP chars in their first month? no
is this a good change? i don't know

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#180 - 2015-10-15 16:36:55 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Querns wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
I'll up the anty:

If this isn't scrapped by Monday morning next week I'm giving away everything I have and biomassing my characters.

CCP isn't motivated by your decision to hold your account hostage.


Ehh I'm not trying to do any sort of hostage thing with my account.

It's more of a fun way to go out. I've suffered enough of the bonehead decisions of CCP and if this makes it in the game it'll be my last straw.

Then why post about it at all?


So my fellow forum trolls can get some entertainment from my butthurt.

A likely story.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.