Wormholes

Feels like that wouldn't translate well to Mac at all.

With the new Scanner Window, i was wondering.
Can we please get a "center probe's formation on own ship's position"-button.
Or is this a bad idea? I really dont know. Please consider.

Some implications:
On grid probe&warp will be faster and easier. (But again: I have no Idea if this would be healthy for the game.)
Systemwide probing unaffected. (unless offgridspot)
Finding the signature name of the wormhole one just jumped through would be way faster.
There is not really a choice of where to put the probes, when you want them on-grid.

If this request seems to be redundant. well. Search did not find anything similar.

Ok Just to clarify, currently it is possible to scan single handed, using just the mouse.
If it is an absolute requirement to use a second hand to engage a modifier, then It becomes quite unpleasant and impractical in many circumstances. Having a modifier AVAILABLE is a nice idea, but not when there is no alternative.

I hate to give personal examples, but I have recently been bedridden, and EvE has kept me going using a laptop beside the bed.
I can currently scan whilst resting on my left arm and using the mouse with my right.
If it requires two hands, I can only do this sitting up, and then I might as well be in the lounge (which is not possible) or wait a few days until I am stronger. Whilst I have not been able to fully participate, I can at least scan out the WH chain for the corp.

I am certain that many will play the game in situations where they are not sitting in the ideal situation, on a dedicated, clear desk where the monitor and keyboard are directly in front of them, all the time.

Also I am sure people like to drink coffee, or beer, and that needs a hand free :)

Changing an activity from one that utilises one hand to become two handed, is NOT a good improvement. Scanning is a non twitch activity, whilst for combat, travel, ratting etc, two handed use is reasonable, as one is highly committed to the activity, when scanning for hours, requiring physical as well as mental commitment, is excessive.

Please re-enable the ability to drag the probe circle to resize without having to press a modifier key, it is about the only good design feature worth keeping of the old scanner. Why remove it? I have never heard of anyone resizing the probe radius when trying to move the "square" issues there are usually, throwing the probes out a billion miles with the arrows when trying to click the "square" as the cube move arrows, sometimes Get in the way of the cube faces? Other than that the new scanner is looking really good.

Ps trackpads on laptops, magic mice, etc etc, do not have a mouse wheel. And besides the mouse wheel controls zooming in and out, for scanning, that's important as you know. With a Key modified mousewheel, we are back to the same issue of requiring two hands.

The question is do you decide to make scanning a compulsory two handed activity? Is this an improvement? Please consider this carefully as this changes the activity negatively for quite a number of situations, That doesn't seem like a good choice, as for some this will be the defining feature of the new scanner, and all the other good work is wasted, and the now unwanted scanner will appear to be forced on us rather than something to be welcomed. It would be such a shame for that to happen when there is so much to appreciate.

Please consider this very carefully.
Many thanks.

That post 2 before this one raises a very good point. Regardless, can you go all the way and map mod key + number to a scanrange if you go ahead with the mod keys?



I'm kind of surprised I have to restate to you that good tweening feels better.

I find the old tweening very nice on the eyes, it also fits the pace of scanning a lot better. When you scan an entire wormhole you're looking at 10-20 minutes of looking the scanning screen, mostly spent watching the timer tick down and repositing and one of those is rather slow paced and the other would now be a very hectic affair.

Again, if you find this somehow improves the experience, go ahead, but it certainly makes scanning less pleasant to me.

Hi,

Thanks for the detailed and reasoned feedback. So, the current working theory of the hotkeys is that they will ultimately be bindable to whatever you want. This means that if you want to remap to a mousebutton for instance, you would be able to do that and still keep scanning onehanded if you want to. That being said, that doesn't solve the problems you brought up with touchpads and general accessibility concerns that users may have. I'll take this back to the team and see what they say. You're quite correct though, with the old system picking was very easy and not an issue. Now that we've abstracted the window and made it resizeable however, the problem with picking was becoming more and more of an issue in our feedback.

Two minor tongue in cheek points of rebuttal - EVE isn't a "twitch" game in any part of itself really, and the most "twitchy" experience I've ever had myself in the game has been combat scanning, funnily enough! Also, if all y'all beer and coffee drinkers want to game like champs, you gotta get yourselves some of these:

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We want to make the keys remappable to your own convenience ideally. Don't off the top of my head see how numbers could intuitively be mapped to scanrange without having to display that information somewhere, thus adding more crowd to a crowded scene. The numbers I have issue with directly are those below 1 and greater than 10.

If you were kind of surprised at that, I strongly suggest you take a seat before you read my next sentence.

Before right now, I thought "tweening" was something people did about Bieber. Having now done some googling, I will pass it on to the team. I think your scanning use case is not neccesarily representative of the whole picture though - if I'm not just casually scanning a hole, e.g. I'm combat scanning or racing someone to a site, I need things to be fast ergo feel fast. Maybe it'll be a toggle we can put in (unlikely), or we can find a nice intermediate ground (preferable). I've still to do a really prolonged test (targeted at frustration, repetitiveness and any nausea inducers) and this may well become more of an issue over time.

When probes movement cube are in the same place (visually) with for example planets or bookmarks ir other visual indicators of map the cube is not accessible. Wheb you try to move it outside of clamped moon area you have to move camera around or try using different side of cube or use arrows on the cube to move it. Instead of moving probes you are selecting whatever object is on top . This is annoying.

Also can we have "center around" function for right clicking on object in map that would move probes to that location? For example right click on planet and using it would center formation around that planet.

Are you sure that people were actually complaining about selecting the probes accidentally? The only complaint I've ever had or heard along those lines is selecting things which are not the probes accidentlaly. Generally when your probes are out, the majority of your clicks are in the solar system map are either camera movement or probe movement.

Have you tried filtering objects you don't care about out of the map? Using the filters in the top left corner.

The issue lies in that the most needed objects are the most plentiful as well. When you're dscanning you want anoms and moons amogn other things, so that's where most of the clutter comes from. You can afford to turn some more stuff off when using probes, but then you'll want to turn them back on after every scan to see where does the warpable sig lie.