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[December] Discovering a New Expedition Frigate

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A'Tolkar
Carlson's Raiders
#141 - 2015-10-07 02:40:05 UTC
Other than maybe art, why not just release this ship (and corresponding modules) at the next update?
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#142 - 2015-10-07 06:18:24 UTC
How many shattered wormholes are there anyway?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Lugh Crow-Slave
#143 - 2015-10-07 06:52:21 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
How many shattered wormholes are there anyway?




100 iirc

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#144 - 2015-10-07 07:04:27 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
100 iirc

I found it. 100 total, but only 25 of them are small ship holes. So hull specially designed for 25 systems?

OT: can we have more range on gas cloud harverster? (and some animation too, maybe like new salvager one?)

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Lugh Crow-Slave
#145 - 2015-10-07 07:19:56 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
100 iirc

I found it. 100 total, but only 25 of them are small ship holes. So hull specially designed for 25 systems?

OT: can we have more range on gas cloud harverster? (and some animation too, maybe like new salvager one?)



No I could see this being used in low and a good deal in null mainly by what corps that want to make fuel without importing (larger groups probably will not use it)

This is why I feel giving it the ability to be blops bridged would open it up to more people but I'm not sure ccp would be willing to do that on a ship with no covet ops cloak and I would not give on to this ship

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#146 - 2015-10-07 07:55:31 UTC
Funny name btw: Discovery. Like exploration ship.
It will be based on Venture hull? Same as Prospect?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Darkblad
Doomheim
#147 - 2015-10-07 08:47:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Darkblad
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
It will be based on Venture hull? Same as Prospect?
We have to assume that's the case for now. There no new ship model as of yet (but also no new shaders for the prospect hull) and the current model is just a placeholder
To take a look on sisi, paste this into a note within the client:
|url=showinfo:37135>Discovery|/url>


(change | to <, the forums don't allow html tags)

NPE – ISD – RIP
ISD Rontea
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#148 - 2015-10-07 08:51:56 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
ISD Rontea wrote:
Note: you can hauling 36m tritanium in Discovery ore hold from highsec to nullsec (all5 skills).


Ore Holds can't hold minerals.

Ore holds can hold compressed ore. Compressed veldspar > reprocess > tritanium

ISD Rontea

ISD STAR Executive

Волонтёр группы по взаимодействию с игроками

Interstellar Services Department
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#149 - 2015-10-07 10:54:16 UTC
Please correct me when I made mistakes anywhere here:

Ice mining cycle is 330secs x 0.5 role x (0.75 (mining frig) x 0.75 (ice mining skill), for 93secs rounded total cycle time per 1k block. Then adding three Icing lows puts them to 70secs.

Is the ice mining rig intentionally left out (61sec cycle time) to increase the yield difference to a procurer (49sec)?
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#150 - 2015-10-07 11:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Please correct me when I made mistakes anywhere here:

Ice mining cycle is 330secs x 0.5 role x (0.75 (mining frig) x 0.75 (ice mining skill), for 93secs rounded total cycle time per 1k block. Then adding three Icing lows puts them to 70secs.

Is the ice mining rig intentionally left out (61sec cycle time) to increase the yield difference to a procurer (49sec)?


I put up some math on the previous page if you want to see a maxed out Discovery versus and maxed out Procurer. You're missing implants and the expedition frigate bonuses.
And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
ISD Rontea
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#151 - 2015-10-07 12:18:16 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:

And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

What about small gas harvesting rig?
Tech 1. 200 calibration, -5% gas cloud harvesters duration
Tech 2. 250 calibration, -7.5% gas cloud harvesters duration

ISD Rontea

ISD STAR Executive

Волонтёр группы по взаимодействию с игроками

Interstellar Services Department
My Little Friend
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2015-10-07 14:15:37 UTC
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
My Little Friend wrote:
I would like to request that the requirement of having a turret slot be removed from both the new ice mining lasers and the old mining lasers. It is discriminatory towards the Caldari who use mostly missile based ships and as a result are unable to mine in many of these ships. The ability to fit mining lasers on these ships will result in new and emergent game play such as Leviathan mining that will surely create PVP content for all.

Thanks

Caldari have access to enough ships with turrets, removing the need for turret hardpoints would do more harm than good.

Without the need for a turret hardpoint for mining laser or the new ice mining laser the mining frigates have to be rebalanced (nerfed) with using all high slots for mining lasers. Venture/Prospect would get +50% yield (3 high vs 2 hardpoints) and would need to loos alot of its mining bonus to stay at the same yield with 1 extra miner (loose utility high)



Thank you for missing the whole point of my post asking for the ability to fit mining lasers on the Leviathan.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#153 - 2015-10-07 14:26:27 UTC
My Little Friend wrote:
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
My Little Friend wrote:
I would like to request that the requirement of having a turret slot be removed from both the new ice mining lasers and the old mining lasers. It is discriminatory towards the Caldari who use mostly missile based ships and as a result are unable to mine in many of these ships. The ability to fit mining lasers on these ships will result in new and emergent game play such as Leviathan mining that will surely create PVP content for all.

Thanks

Caldari have access to enough ships with turrets, removing the need for turret hardpoints would do more harm than good.

Without the need for a turret hardpoint for mining laser or the new ice mining laser the mining frigates have to be rebalanced (nerfed) with using all high slots for mining lasers. Venture/Prospect would get +50% yield (3 high vs 2 hardpoints) and would need to loos alot of its mining bonus to stay at the same yield with 1 extra miner (loose utility high)



Thank you for missing the whole point of my post asking for the ability to fit mining lasers on the Leviathan.


this is discrimination we have to live our life as Caldari pilot
My Little Friend
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2015-10-07 14:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: My Little Friend
unidenify wrote:
My Little Friend wrote:
Haatakan Reppola wrote:
My Little Friend wrote:
I would like to request that the requirement of having a turret slot be removed from both the new ice mining lasers and the old mining lasers. It is discriminatory towards the Caldari who use mostly missile based ships and as a result are unable to mine in many of these ships. The ability to fit mining lasers on these ships will result in new and emergent game play such as Leviathan mining that will surely create PVP content for all.

Thanks

Caldari have access to enough ships with turrets, removing the need for turret hardpoints would do more harm than good.

Without the need for a turret hardpoint for mining laser or the new ice mining laser the mining frigates have to be rebalanced (nerfed) with using all high slots for mining lasers. Venture/Prospect would get +50% yield (3 high vs 2 hardpoints) and would need to loos alot of its mining bonus to stay at the same yield with 1 extra miner (loose utility high)



Thank you for missing the whole point of my post asking for the ability to fit mining lasers on the Leviathan.


this is discrimination we have to live our life as Caldari pilot


I refuse to accept this unacceptable racial discrimination against Caldari pilots that want to use their titans to mine ore/ice/gas.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#155 - 2015-10-07 17:57:34 UTC
ISD Rontea wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

What about small gas harvesting rig?
Tech 1. 200 calibration, -5% gas cloud harvesters duration
Tech 2. 250 calibration, -7.5% gas cloud harvesters duration


The specialized mining rigs only exist as a holdover from previous Mining Barge designs. A little while ago they were all specialized for one type of mining. When that was removed, the rigs were added to keep similar mining rates without having the bonuses be on the ships. Since the Prospect and Discovery are already bonused toward certain types of mining, a rig bonus would be somewhat redundant.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#156 - 2015-10-07 18:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Grape Drink
CCP Terminus wrote:
ISD Rontea wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

What about small gas harvesting rig?
Tech 1. 200 calibration, -5% gas cloud harvesters duration
Tech 2. 250 calibration, -7.5% gas cloud harvesters duration


The specialized mining rigs only exist as a holdover from previous Mining Barge designs. A little while ago they were all specialized for one type of mining. When that was removed, the rigs were added to keep similar mining rates without having the bonuses be on the ships. Since the Prospect and Discovery are already bonused toward certain types of mining, a rig bonus would be somewhat redundant.



Any particular reason you are making frigates specialized like how the old barges were? Barges now you kinda have to decide between yield, cargo, or tank. But frigs you kind of get forced into what you fly by what you're mining based on the bonuses
Lugh Crow-Slave
#157 - 2015-10-07 22:53:59 UTC
people seem to think that w/o a cov ops cloak this thing is screwed


with the cloak bonus it does get it will be able to get to warp speed de-cloak and run similar to a BLOPs


is it as easy on the pilot? no does it lower the risk on a pilot who knows what they are doing? yes


only thing extra i could see this thing needing a the ability to be bridged

but i'm sure it will be used even w/o that my guys will just stick with the prospect if that's the case

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#158 - 2015-10-07 22:56:07 UTC
Mr Grape Drink wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:
ISD Rontea wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

What about small gas harvesting rig?
Tech 1. 200 calibration, -5% gas cloud harvesters duration
Tech 2. 250 calibration, -7.5% gas cloud harvesters duration


The specialized mining rigs only exist as a holdover from previous Mining Barge designs. A little while ago they were all specialized for one type of mining. When that was removed, the rigs were added to keep similar mining rates without having the bonuses be on the ships. Since the Prospect and Discovery are already bonused toward certain types of mining, a rig bonus would be somewhat redundant.



Any particular reason you are making frigates specialized like how the old barges were? Barges now you kinda have to decide between yield, cargo, or tank. But frigs you kind of get forced into what you fly by what you're mining based on the bonuses



its still a choice just based on different things


if i go ice mining it is still safer that i do it in a prospect but i could do it faster in the discovery

its just more nice

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2015-10-07 23:35:54 UTC
Mr Grape Drink wrote:

Any particular reason you are making frigates specialized like how the old barges were? Barges now you kinda have to decide between yield, cargo, or tank. But frigs you kind of get forced into what you fly by what you're mining based on the bonuses


Yield is already covered by Hulk, Ore bay is covered by Mackinaw and EHP is covered by Skiff (including their t1 variants)

How do you balance 2-3 smaller/cheaper ships around the same metrics without them being useless or OP? Find new ways to balance them (diffrent roles).
Justin Cody
War Firm
#160 - 2015-10-07 23:36:40 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
ISD Rontea wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

And yes we don't plan on making a small ice mining rig.

What about small gas harvesting rig?
Tech 1. 200 calibration, -5% gas cloud harvesters duration
Tech 2. 250 calibration, -7.5% gas cloud harvesters duration


The specialized mining rigs only exist as a holdover from previous Mining Barge designs. A little while ago they were all specialized for one type of mining. When that was removed, the rigs were added to keep similar mining rates without having the bonuses be on the ships. Since the Prospect and Discovery are already bonused toward certain types of mining, a rig bonus would be somewhat redundant.


or awesome if you're into min maxing