EVE General Discussion

Not just in HS, but comet mining.

Comets have Ice as an outer layer, once that is gone there are minerals, once minerals are gone there is moon goo at the core. They have a trail of gas that can be mined as well.

They travel 1000 m/s, can be webbed to slow them down and cause damage over time to any ship near them. Spawns randomly in any system and must be scanned down.

Spice up missions by.....removing the mission briefings. The agent just gives a location and who the mission is against. New missions don't have to be created, you just make it so you don't know what is coming.

Increase the strength of the faction police to help protect nubbin FW pilots.
Reduce incursion payouts by 50% and replace that faucet somewhere else in game.

My 2 Cent on the Topic:

1) Changing High Sec mechanics to turn it into a low sec kind of space is not the way to go. In EvE there are 4 kind of space, High Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec and WH Space, all with their rules and game play style,someone might like them or not, but no one should be entitled to destroy the other players sand box of choice.
I would probably limit the number of active wardecs based on the size of the corporation / alliance that is declaring them, but looking at the new structure mechanics, someone must really bring friends to tear down your citadel. I really want to see the finished work with citadel and capitals before saying more on the topic.

2) Mining and Ice mining in High Sec are really too mechanical, not simply because you point your laser and mine, without any real interaction beside changing asteroid once one is depleted, but because Ore and Ice belts are always in the same spots or systems.
I found it really disappointing too see ice miners fleet multiboxed by someone, camping a system knowing that a certain ice belt will respawn at a certain hour, with a know composition of ice that will be strip mined in minutes. This is not about mutliboxed mining fleet, but it's about something being 100% predictable in a game where the thrill should come from "the great unknown", and not by an alarm clock.

I would really love to see High Sec Ice Belt changing system inside a constellation, with the need of being probed down, a variable quality / quantity of Ice and a proportionate difficulty in scanning them down based on their content, like the Limited Sleeper Caches are at the moment in high sec.

In terms of developement time I don't think it would take a lot, and still will make mining more active and nomadic, less bot aspirant, like some people would say.

3) Standing and LP store are too generic, the average mission runner do not really feel the need of changing system or corporation once they have found a decent L4 agent with a LP store offering a good LP/ISK conversion. For those not really into mission, there are mainly 3 kind of LP store inside every major empire faction, with some differences, but rarely enough to justify you dropping everything and moving to somewhere else. Not to mention, hauling everything you have into a freighter to move out is rarely a good idea.
My idea would be to:

-- a) Slim down and make more specific LP stores, themed with the corp you are working with. At the moment I see LP stores ranging from 137 items (Garuon Investment Bank) to 312 items (Federation Navy), while the Gallente Federation has 31 corps to run missions with. Give a tiny pool of common items (stat implants, charters and such) to everyone and then make specific LP stores.
-- b) Give standing toward a corp a real meaning, gate some of the rewards with reputation and balance their cost accordingly. I'm not sure, but I think that's already a Faction Warfare LP store thing. I would also say remove or consolidate faction tags for LP, but I'm not sure about the first option myself, I'm totally in favour of the second due to simplicity sake.
-- c) Make standing cappable, without diminishing standing increase (or decrease) the higher you go. This should helps the people to enter in the mindset of "I'm done here" and move on, and this should mix well with the LP store changes.

These are the 3 things I would change, and I wouldn't mind some more epic arcs for the other empires (see Khanid, Intaki Syndicate and Ammatar)

Which goal, Faction police or incursions?

Highsec players would rebalance the game, with the local market becoming basically the only one, Jita would fade if not die entirely and highsec players would keep doing what we do and thats avoid low and nullsec and in the end this would be a huge waste of programming time.

The only true outcome is that highsec players would now become almost absolutely committed to whatever racial space they play in and that isnt fun or interesting game play its just, "annoying highsec to annoy highsec".

Like your approach. The issue of highsec, I approach it as lacking challenge, not being too safe. The demographic that enjoys it can have it "less safe" but be made more attractive to their playstyle without stopping what eve is about. Nullsec does offer opportunities, but the issue is that for industry types and pve peeps, the step is too great. An intermediate change making lowsec more attractive to small groups will bring them there where they can then make the step to null. Problem is lowsec isnt some frontier full of riches, it is just a wasteland.

While i do think that a couple of activities in highsec need an income nerf and highsec PI needs a buff, nerfing highsec income into oblivion will have a consequence you are not going to like.

There is a belief that if you make highsec poor enough, if you make highsec boring enough, if you make highsec miserable enough then highsec players will leave highsec and on this point you are absolutely correct but we won't be leaving for wh, low or nullsec space we will be leaving EVE.

Glad to see us go?

You wont be when CCP decides it doesnt have the financial backing it needs to further develop EVE because too many highsec players quit and EVE goes free to play and along with it any further development on the game.

Lets hope that CCP isnt completely blind to its need for highsec players to keep paying a significant portion of the bills.

The answer is......we dont need anything.


We b**ch when we get ganked, that's about it really.


All the calls for change come basically from nullsec and most of those requests revolve around making nullsec more secure for the current inhabitants or making highsec into nullsec so highsec can be just as lame as nullsec.

That is not the belief. The goal is that by restoring risk vs. reward, players will not be drawn back to highsec to run incursions in safety leaving the other spaces to languish.

There are some players that will never leave highsec. But there are many more that would venture out given the right incentive, or already do leave to engage in PvP but prefer to return earn an income in highsec because it is so much safer and easier. They are the ones clamping down on the highsec income faucet may influence.

Slashing highsec payouts, at least on the highend (L3/L4s, incursions) will encourage those that are comfortable to go back to the other spaces, and will perhaps encourage the more brave newer players to leave highsec to chase increased rewards. The other, full-on risk-averse players can stay behind, shooting red crosses or rocks for enough ISK to gradually upgrade that ship that they never lose, but should never get rich this way or even be able to PLEX an account. That should only be possible by exposing yourself to the risk of other players interfering with your resource generation thus offering yourself as content for the other players in this game.

I have no problem with CCP spending as much time and development resources as they think valuable on producing fun content for highsec themeparkers. The payouts of this content however cannot continue to have such a distorting effect on the economy that everyone and their uncle uses a highsec alt to make a living. The other spaces are suffering for it, and there will be no hope of reinvigorating nullsec if there is no economic reason for players or groups of players to ever leave the safety of highsec.