Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Removing Sps isnt really an issue, thats what keeps this game going, if you want to remove something, remove the economy :D Most pple cant be arsed to grind isk. Ofc , thats a joke, you cannot do that.

The boring aspects of eve like making isk determine what you fly and how you play. If you cannot afford it, or cannot grind it, well, you need to rethink your gameplay. Sps define what you can fly in time. The economy defines what you can fly anytime.

Some sps need to go for sure like jump drive skills, those can be determined by hull, if you can fly it, you get the specified range. But sps should remain

The reward for subbing *is* playing already. Skills and SP are a part of the game, you make choices that matter to your character, you gain new abilities as you go and you get the satisfaction as each new area of the game opens up. If a game has now goals and no means by which to measure them (for yourself at least) it becomes pointless.

In term of skills stopping players from participating in certain events every player can very quickly fly pirate ships which are often equal to or better than tech II variants. Everyone can very quickly use deadspace modules without meeting tech II requirements. Skills don't stop players from doing these things, if they throw enough money into the game they can buy whatever pirate ship and deadspace modules they like. Tech II skills give a player another option, one that they have worked towards and will feel satisfaction at being able to use.

With regards to gameplay being repetitive it seems that you view anything but PvP as dull and repetitive. Many other players do not. A player absolutely will not keep doing something they do not enjoy, that includes miners, missioners, indy's and PvPers. I know many players who were part of nullsec alliances who left the game because for them it became repetitive. Opening up every ship to them would not have helped as they could already fly every doctrine ship required.

Ignoring the fact that skills are woven through the very fabric of every part of the game (which is blatantly daft) the skill system provides a means by which to progress you character, to tune what you want to do in the game and enjoy the areas that are opened up as you progress.

I'm curious to know which games you play or have played where there is no element of 'leveling' or progression in the game?

hmmm, research or not...EvE to me is enjoyable because of the SP/skill que system. I do not have to grind for XP on each and every character to progress, they can passivley increase their abilities instead while im doing something else on another character in the game. Which means I can have a dedicated Research only character, a dedicated combat only(PvP) character, if i wish to roleplay or station trade i can have another maximizing social and trade skills....and on this one well its an indy character...most of his 38 million SP is into production and resource processing skills, the rest split into leadership/fleet management and corp management with combat taking a much smaller 3 rd position.....

In short the SP progression in EvE defines the choices a player makes in streamling what they wish to do so as to maximize options in different careers in a linear specialized direction. I even have a character devoted to nothing but freighters and transports....it takes time to get these skills maxed and makes sense to specialize each character into their respective careers which makes them unique to that player beasue then each one has a different playstyle.

Removing the SP system....might as well go play X3, or battlestar galactica, or Elite dangerous since as a flight sim they would be more exciting than eve with 1 seond ticks at that point.
and making a system where using things grants SP.....well might as well go play starwars or something then as those games were created from the ground up to be like that.

IMHO, the Skill que system in EvE and the way to use it is inherent to its design and taking it away would detract from the game and make it mostly worthless to play.
Because really...EvE is more about the meta-game and what we players build in the game than it is about the game and the mechanics itself....too many worry about this or that and fail to realize that the social aspects and how they affect them or are affected are more important than being "skill trained".
Because "skill trained", sp/attributes/implants are meaningless IF a player is unwilling to learn how to play the game when it comes to EvE....and playing the game means not playing against the pve aspects but competting with other players in one fashion or another in trying to be the best in a particular field.

And that right there is problem with the newbs vs vets argument....newbs say they cant catch up....well they can if they learn how to play...because it is the fact Vets are here to win at whatever they choose to win at and it is their extensive knowledge of the mechanics abuse of them or not that allows to roll stomp newbs/scrubs every time.....not SP...especially total SP...
A newb is born into the game having to figure out the game....and SP is an intrinsically small portion of the knowledge they have to learn...they should never focus on it and see it what truly is....merely one of a myriad of simple tools that allow for the fun in this game.

My post wasn't off-topic at all.

I specifically stated an opinion relating to removing skills in EVE.

Also my suggestion to biomass didn't mention the words "in", "real", "life" or the letters "I" "R" or "L" either. So if that's why you removed it, you're silly.

Nazi ISD censoring my opinions. Boo ISD. Boooo.

Here let me re-create the text from my neural logs...

I think he was joking on removing the economy.

Been very straightforward about it this whole time. There isn't any inconsistancy in what you quoted so nothing to clarify.

They were never able to fake T2 by spending cash. Though considering the point of tiericide is to remove the issue of meta 4 being the only useful meta level, we should see more price parity between meta levels rather than having demand pent up at one of them.

Why can't you train skills the more you use something instead?

Don't keep me in suspense. I'm on the edge of my seat wondering why Meta4 is the only useful meta level, because apparently it isn't just because of the stat parity with T2.

Basically this, the older/veteran players know how things work and would find ways to gain an advantage a new player probably wont figure out.

For example, what is to stop me from warping to a safe spot with two characters. Have one warp scramble the other, then go AFK for several hours on end? Come back and ta-da, I have an "expert" character at using propulsion jamming modules. Throw in orbiting in with a prop mode and I start leveling those skills. Turn on some tanking mods, and maybe a target painter or some other modules...say a small gun (which my "target character" can tank) and look, I'm skilling lots of skills easily and faster than alot of new players could. Some might think of it, but those that don't will be left behind until they do figure it out.

totaly forgot about the tank mods/ewar and props. I focus straight off on different sizes of ships and guns along with logi.

I would add a 3rd toon(trial account even) to my mix so that each main can ecm that one as thats the only ewar which would have issues.

while typing out the first post i opened eft to see if i could get it to work. It does.