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Info on mining etc.

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Hastmena Saohar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-10-05 18:22:04 UTC
Hey peeps.

I rolled a Minmatar and started playing this game like, 3 days ago.

I grabbed myself a 'Venture' and started mining Omber until I had about 3 million ISK and then I stupidly blew it on a 'Mammoth'. I didn't see that it only had 1 Turret slot and thus would be useless for mining...

Anyway so I threw up my Mammoth for sale and stuck with my Venture but I want to buy something like a Cruiser or whatever to fly around in and do some Security missions. I know I am probably getting way over my head in jumping from a mining ship to a Cruiser ship. But still I figured it'd take awhile to train the skills and make the money anyway.

So my question is where can I mine some good Ore?

I started in Min space, in high sec and just found Omber kind of slow and not worth much.. I am not an impatient person but I also don't want to be sitting around for days wasting my time yeah? I tried some low sec stuff but got blown up 2 times before I could even click 'warp'.

So I decided I'll jump 21 sectors over to Amar space and try and find some Jasper or something, where it's available in higher sec.
Yeah well that was a bit of a stupid and scary decision. I almost got owned twice by some gate campers. Luckily I could outrun them before they got me in their Phantasms.

So there I was trying to find an Asteroid field in Faktun with no NPCs that had Kernite or something just to find that the price of it is ony a little higher than Omber back in Minmatar space... Well you live, you learn I guess.

Any idea guys? I don't really want to go charging into low sec just to get 1-shot by someone I can't even see... but I don't want to be stuck mining Omber forever. Would it be worth it trying to refine some of this stuff instead of just selling it outright?

Thanks for any answers.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#2 - 2015-10-05 19:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Do Little
Welcome to Eve

If you have completed the tutorial missions http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tutorials_-_Opportunities_and_Career_Agents_in_EVE_Online you can move on to the SOE epic arc http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars - that mission chain will pay you enough to fit and fly a cruiser.

Your Venture, and the frigates you get from the tutorial agents, will let you run level 1 missions. The standings you get from the Epic Arc will let you run level 2 missions.

New players are now starting with skills it would have taken 10 days to train a couple of weeks ago so you're way ahead in that respect but there is a lot of player skill in this game in addition to the character skills - don't try to rush things.

For mining, you will need a barge to achieve reasonable yield. Procurer is the safest and Retriever holds the most ore. It will take a couple of weeks to train the skills to fly them and they cost a bit over 20 million isk with fittings. If you look in the recruitment forum you'll probably find several player corporations that specialize in mining. Mining in fleet with an Orca boost will substantially improve your results.

Good luck.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-10-05 19:37:52 UTC
if you want to find places to mine

http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/universe/search/

set filters according to what/where your after
and have fun
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-10-05 19:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Welcome to EvE \o/

As said above, complete the career agents to get a first glimpse about operating a ship but also learn the basics of industry and exploration. Mining is a good starting ISK, but ordinary belt mining will not become more fun/challenging with better ships just more efficient. So joining a mining focussed group IMO is not the best for beginners ... cause miners tend to be specialists and as a pure ISK source it's worse than other options.

Try everything, exploration, manufacturing, missions, ninja gas mining, trading, PvP ... the options are endless, find what you like to do in EvE, but keep open to switch "profession" if one gets boring. If unsure what to skill check the mastery levels (up to level 3 or 4) of the ships designated to your current activity.

Though one more remark, in EvE the PvE activities are mostly seen as pure ISK source, so people are farming and min/max to get the optimal ISK/h. Then they take the ISK and burn it in PvP, which is the very core of EvE.

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Kaleb Snowden
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#5 - 2015-10-05 19:55:57 UTC
If you're interested in sticking with mining, I'd highly suggest training up gas harvesting and looking around for some newbro friendly low class wormhole corporations. You'll be able to make a lot of money, and maybe dip into the wonderful world of reactions.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2015-10-05 20:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
1. Mining Frigate: Venture
2. Expedition Frigate: Prospect (optional).
3. Mining Barge: Procurer (very inexpensive), Retriever (most popular), Covetor (fleet mining, but rarely used)
4. Exhumers: Skiff (extremely tanky & combat drones), Mackinaw (upgraded Retriever), Hulk (upgraded Covetor).

By far the most common mining vessel is the Retriever. It is inexpensive, and has a lot of room for ore / ice. Generally if you lose one, it doesn't take much to replace it. A Procurer is even less expensive, more tanky, but doesn't have as much capacity.

That's it for mining ships in EVE right now.

Other facets of mining:
* Mining laser crystal usage.
* Reprocessing.
* Ice Harvesting.
* Gas Harvesting (fullerenes for T3, and gasses for boosters)
* Deep Core Mining for Mercoxit (not always a good idea, depending on the current market prices, multiply price by 0.546 before comparing with other ores)
* Fleet boosting (notably Orca and Rorqual).
* Hauling (Industrials, Freighters, Deep Space Transports, Jump Freighters).

Sort by price: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore
Another one: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-10-05 21:43:07 UTC
Hastmena Saohar wrote:
I know I am probably getting way over my head in jumping from a mining ship to a Cruiser ship. But still I figured it'd take awhile to train the skills and make the money anyway.

As you can see from the ore charts linked the price of Ore does not vary as much from high sec to null sec as one might think. What makes null sec far more valuable as far as mining is not the ore but the size of the roids and the boosts.

Smaller asteroids mean more changing from rock to rock and more partial cycles or full cycles with partial ore loads which come down to wasted time or missed m3. Also in null sec you can get Rorqual boosts which are not available in high sec. You can get similar boosts with an Orca but not as good. So value of the ore it's self is not everything.

If you like mining by all means stick with it but if you are only doing it to earn isk you should probably know that mining is not terribly good isk and it's probably one of the riskier means of earning isk in this game.

If you want to try missions or what ever you should do so. This early in the game your skills train very fast and you are much better off seeing more aspects of the game to find out what you like than you are specializing at one or a few things.

I'll give you a personal story. The character that is currently my main in this game started off as an alt. I focused my main too much trying to be really good at a very limited amount of things. My alt that was able to train whatever I felt like was a far more usefull character and at one point I had my first character with nearly a million skill points and was nearly useless and my alt had about 60 and could do anything that I wanted her to and do it well.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-10-05 22:07:56 UTC
reprocess your venture and jettison the minerals in some deep safe somewhere where it will never see the star light again. I'd say pee on it but that would be a waste of good ****.

alright now that we've taken care of that disgusting thing some people call a "ship" it is time to turn to that other thing you mentioned in your post, security missions! First open up the agent finder and change the faction to minmatar republic and agent type to career. Any faction works, but I assume you have minmatar skills since you are minmatar, and that should get you going the quickest, if you want to try out some other ships from other races feel free but you might have to wait a little for skills to train. Fly to them and run the military and advanced military. after this you should have some idea of how to fit a ship for basic combat, and you should have a few ships as well.

after this you can try the SoE epic arc. Talk to Sister Altura in the Arnon system. If you can make it through this you should be well set to start moving into missions. With my newbie minmatar character I did the Career agents, SoE arc, and then jumped into lv2 missions in a rupture.

in case you couldn't tell from my tone I have a very low opinion on mining. Mostly that is because I find it boring, and it offers rather low income. Some people like it and find it relaxing, and all I can say is good for them, but I'm not going to suggest to anyone that they should ever go mining. Honestly I should be encouraging everyone to mine, more miners -> cheaper minerals -> cheaper ships! And you should probably sell your venture not destroy it, it is a slightly more appropriate thing to do, but far less entertaining to open a post with.

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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#9 - 2015-10-05 22:09:14 UTC
Quote:
Any idea guys? I don't really want to go charging into low sec just to get 1-shot by someone I can't even see... but I don't want to be stuck mining Omber forever. Would it be worth it trying to refine some of this stuff instead of just selling it outright?


You can mine anywhere. The lower the security rating, the more chances of encountering hostiles...and beware of Code / Gankers anywhere.

Scordite / Massive Scordite will give you more of a return financially than other ores. You can find it mostly anywhere. It isn't found in the same quantities as other ores, but you will make more ISK.

Initially, ou won't make more money processing than selling until you have trained refining skills. So if you plan to use mining to earn ISK to fund your future initially, train some mining skills. You can upgrade to the Mining Upgrades and use better mining lasers which reduces the amount of time spent mining.

You can also train for specific ores which will help increase your return on selling Scordite. I could average, net, about 756,000 per 5,000M of massive scordite after training mining skills and scordite skills.

You can also train for drones and use them to fight off pirates while mining.

I used mining to earn ISK while training for other skills. After a few months, none of my toons mine any more.

Like others have said, do the mining career agent to get started. Then decide which career path you want to follow.

And always, always...keep orbiting, keep moving and keep your eyes open. When someone pops into your asteroid belt and they aren't driving a mining ship...be ready to warp out.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-10-06 03:36:21 UTC
Mining:

PROs:
- good for people that need to be semi-afk for example have very young children that need watching or are trying to play from work
- good for groups that want to fleet up and then chat/swap-links and generally pay minimal attention to their ships
- easy to multibox if you have several characters

CONs:
- low ISK per hour even with exhumers and barges and boosts
- mind numbingly boring solo
- you tend to get targeted by low skill wannabe PvPers not game to go to lowsec or null


Basically mining is for when you want to multibox or when you cannot be totally focussed on the game.
Epicishousness Padecain
B.R.B
#11 - 2015-10-06 15:07:25 UTC
If you are hell bent on mining for money, you can try going null sec have giving that a go. If you chose to do this, I would find a friend to go along. Stick with NRDS regions like Providence. Talk to the locals and maybe make friends there. They may just try to help you out, give advice and even let you know if there are any reds in the area.

Personally, I would stick with tutorial missions and the maybe go for the SoE epic are missions. You will end up getting bigger and better ships as you go. If you are more into mining, work your way into a procurer. That is the best and cheapest mining barge you can buy. You can work your way up to a skiff from there if you so chose, but I find that the procurer is really good enough for the price.

If you have any questions, hit me up online or send me a mail. I'll give any advice I can.

Best of luck!

Epic
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-10-06 15:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

alright now that we've taken care of that disgusting thing some people call a "ship"

Au contraire ... never flown the mighty battle Venture? Twisted And the Prospect (T2 Venture) is the best HK in town.

EDIT: What I want to say OP, in EvE it can be tremendous fun, to re-purpose ships for something they were not designed for.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2015-10-06 15:58:09 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

alright now that we've taken care of that disgusting thing some people call a "ship"

Au contraire ... never flown the mighty battle Venture? Twisted And the Prospect (T2 Venture) is the best HK in town.

EDIT: What I want to say OP, in EvE it can be tremendous fun, to re-purpose ships for something they were not designed for.
Indeed, some players even specialise in using innocuous industrial ships to murder the unwary, Marlona Sky springs to mind.

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Kirk Ernaga
Pandemic Horde Inc.
#14 - 2015-10-06 16:15:50 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

alright now that we've taken care of that disgusting thing some people call a "ship"

Au contraire ... never flown the mighty battle Venture? Twisted And the Prospect (T2 Venture) is the best HK in town.

EDIT: What I want to say OP, in EvE it can be tremendous fun, to re-purpose ships for something they were not designed for.
Indeed, some players even specialise in using innocuous industrial ships to murder the unwary, Marlona Sky springs to mind.

Hull tanked neureus any body?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2015-10-07 22:41:10 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

alright now that we've taken care of that disgusting thing some people call a "ship"

Au contraire ... never flown the mighty battle Venture? Twisted And the Prospect (T2 Venture) is the best HK in town.

EDIT: What I want to say OP, in EvE it can be tremendous fun, to re-purpose ships for something they were not designed for.

the thought has crossed my mind, but I don't have SP to waste on mining whatever ships right now. also seemed far enough outside the scope of the thread to not include.

the battle haulers always make me laugh, and the t1 explo frigs are pretty good in battle mode now that they all have drone bays Twisted

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Memphis Baas
#16 - 2015-10-07 23:30:03 UTC
IMO every pilot needs to train an industrial transport, because this game has monumental amounts of junk that you'll eventually want to transport from where you are to one of the trade hubs, so that you can at least get some money for it (more than the 1 ISK orders you see in the middle of nowhere). So that Mammoth may eventually come in handy.

That said, you don't have to train it or even use it now.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-10-08 07:28:03 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
IMO every pilot needs to train an industrial transport, because this game has monumental amounts of junk that you'll eventually want to transport from where you are to one of the trade hubs, so that you can at least get some money for it (more than the 1 ISK orders you see in the middle of nowhere). So that Mammoth may eventually come in handy.

That said, you don't have to train it or even use it now.


meh ... I luvs my Mastodon - Mammoth on steroids