Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK GG 17 pages

I have some questions

nr1 what will happen to the old stations in null/lowsec?

nr2 what will happen to the items/ships in the old stations, i guess a lot of people have **** in station they don't have access to.

nr3, what happens to clones(with implants) in station that are destroyed.

These would not be able to do there job if items were at risk

It does have its place in eve just like invulnerable structures

So, you're saying I should live in NPC space? Since there isn't much benefit aside from a few extra percentage points of bonus for my activities.

I mean, what's the point of risking billions in assets, if I miss a couple days of playtime, it could be gone by then?

Btw, you're making the assumption that a 10% value cost is not risk. I'm not sure how that came across.

That first sentence makes me really question your thinking. Seeing as it's kind of the basic premise Eve was built on.

Maybe you could try not seeing things in black and white rather than assuming my 'mentality' is the polar opposite of yours.

If I were to take your logic a step further, we should remove all loot drops. Doesn't make any sense that you have a chance to salvage your losses right? I bet it just infuriates you that the pilot even has the chance.

I'm sure that, in solidarity with your beliefs, you don't insure your ships or use SRP or take handout ships. I'm sure every time you lost access to assets in a station you or your alliance don't own, you turned around, opened assets, selected all, and trashed it.

Or you could possibly realize that 10% to you might be nothing, whereas 10% loss to an industrialist (not including aborted jobs) could run a few billion, not to mention eclipsing the potential margin they would have gotten from the structure. Or a marketeer, who likely has the same if not more in assets tied up there.

Nor have you seemed to remember the cost of the structure itself. Upwards of a billion possibly reaching 50bil+. And of course let's not forget the loot drop. Too much safety there, gotta remove it. No reason to fight for it either. Costs astronomically more than a POS, but definitely not worth fielding anything for that. No way, that's crazy talk.

I'm not sure you understand how much the measure of perceived safety affects the decisions of pilots.

Well eve might be a player built fantasyland but at least is has realism and i don't want to see that taken away, I love how the npc hauler ships move stuff from station to station, I love how when i haul hi value freight in hi sec i'm more nervous then i am flying in 0.0.

And I will fight to keep the game designers on the path of realism, and not have magical game mechanics whisking away stuff without at least some form of destructible hauling.

CCP want their player to have their stuff if they come back after months/years. Would your insurance at least cover unlimited time frame?

And what about the inevitable trillions of ISK injected in the system from that insurance system?

What about removing the trash and reprocess function of a reinforced citadel? That would have some interesting effects especially in wormholes.

Proper recap of everything we've said so far tied to this.

Assets & Asset safety:

• All citadels have infinite personal and corporation hangar capacity to fulfill their defense and housing role. This may not be the case for all the future structures however.
• All citadels have asset safety feature. When it is destroyed, all assets are impounded. When impounded, players have to wait a minimum amount of time before being able to access them again.

There are 2 ways to recover impounded assets:

1. Deliver to the same solar system: assets can be delivered locally if there are NPC stations or Citadels in the same solar system. Players will have to wait a minimum of 5 days before being able to deliver them.
2. Deliver to another solar system: players will have to pay 15% of the total item value and wait a minimum of 20 days before being able to deliver them. Players cannot choose destination in that case. It will always be the top station in the closest low-security system if the destroyed Citadel was in null or low-security space. If the Citadel was in high-security space, it will be the closest high-security solar system. If there is a NPC station in the same solar system as the destroyed Citadel in high-security or low-security space this option is not available.

Further information on asset safety:

• The timer starts counting down as soon as the structure is destroyed, no button needs to be pressed. This ensure players with lapsing accounts do not need to wait the full duration when coming back into the game.
• We will automatically move items if no choice is set after 20 days. If there is a NPC station in the solar system, we will move them there. If there aren't, we will move them as discussed in option 2 above. This avoids players to build local ship caches in a null-security system that cannot be removed.
• In case of remote delivery, the payment can be done on a one item basis for players not having enough cash to pay for the whole fee at once.
• Current plan is to move capitals and supercapitals as well, so yes they can go to low-security NPC stations.
• Citadels in wormhole spaces do not benefit from asset safety. All items are lost when the structure is destroyed there.

What if for asset safety it had to be enabled during siege?
i.e individuals or the CEO's (CEO being able to do it for every member of the corp )would have to signal out to whatever NPC courier corp when they think they are going to lose the citadel?

I personally don't feel it should be automatic

Put some risk to it, if you or the CEO forgets or have long abandoned the game then they lose everything. or if we really really want some degree of safety for these maybe just partially? whatever loot fairy doesn't drop is "saved" by some angelic npc corp and delivered to a safe haven as described. You still chance losing stuff which puts emphasis trying to strategically evac yourself, but there's some asset safety so you're not completely screwed. Which i believe has been suggested from what i've glanced





But I will say if mediums/larges are primarily aimed at individual ownership/small groups those should fully drop based on loot fairy mechanics. I don't think I should personally be able to dump one of those out in deep low or npc null sec to operate out of and feel safe that everything i keep in it will be safe at a small cost and time even if my "house" is destroyed while im away. Pos mechanics were a good way to keep players engaged who went out into hostile space to live. There was a lot of safety but there was also a lot of risk to which kept players engaged and up to date and that risk was increased based on the level of activity you were doing. If you set up research/design labs, capital construction/maintenance arrays, etc that draws attention and with it more risk. Citadels take away almost all of that. Even if players can tell what can be built at it or researched at it, if the stored loot wont drop I honestly have less incentive to attack or even pay attention to it.