Missions & Complexes

Relic sites are in good shape because ships are constantly being destroyed and new ships are being built and the salvage materials are in constant demand for new rigs. Even the times when a ship is not destroyed and the player simply wants to change what rig they are using they have to get a new rig which means new salvage materials need to be consumed.
I don't know if you remember or even played pre-odyssey but T2 rigs used to cost up to 3~4x the cost of the hull you wanted to put them on because of the rarity of them, and they were hardly affordable for most players. Now they are all but disposable.

Data sites took a hit when the loot spew mechanic was introduced because the loot volume was increased to keep solo explorers able to continue to profit, this caused a massive influx in data site loot along with a massive increase in the number of players doing data and relic sites because of the extremely low entry level of them, the final nail in the coffin was the industry overhaul which removed racial decryptors.

Ghost sites are in good shape because they have items that are sold to a NPC buy order to keep there value up.

As far as ISK printing, it is PVE which is there to make ISK for players, it would not be so much about printing new ISK, but making sure the new ISK that comes for the sites is not too harmful to the economy.

Also as I have been suggesting since the change there must be some form of danger in Data and Relic sites, this would also help to make the sites valuable again as not all players would make it out with there loot, it doesn't need to be in the form of rats but some sort of danger and chance of losing the ship needs to be there, the sleeper sites were a good example of how to make a profitable sites with mostly environmental dangers.

Making Ghost sites Sigs and not Anoms is something i'll look into tomorrow and I'll let you know the outcome.

Regarding the variance between hacking data sites vs relic sites, hacking game iterations is something i've been pushing for for a while.
Right now they are too similar in my opinion and I would love to see some more separation.
However that will have to be looked into at another time.

Most explorers I know and most of the ones I help guide always reinforce the understanding that if you are alone in the system you are ok to hack, if you are not alone I recommend finishing up and cloaking until you are alone again.

Thank you for this comment, we (hopefully) realize there's only so much you can do to a feature in your "spare" time. Nerfing the loot that was formerly used to make data interfaces, is the most important thing I would like to see from this change. I don't think cutting by half is nearly enough, considering how far these items have dropped in market value. I now have mountains of it from my own explorations and don't even bother to sell it. It's now hardly worth the effort of hauling somewhere or collecting in the first place.

Some of the less-threatening aspects of sleeper caches would add needed variation to data/relic sites, at some future time when development resources can turn in their direction.

I think ghost sites being in the anom category is one if their unique flavors, and creates get-it-now urgency. I've gambled away a number of exploration frigates, due to that. The new sleeper caches fill the opposite need for something hard to find, challenging to scan, and puzzles to solve.

Cargo scanners are an interesting option that I would leave alone. For my first year of play, I didn't know it was possible to scan site loot cans, so its still there as something new players can try and discover, if they don't read the forums.

It's annoying to come across a partially completed site, but I don't usually want to nerf my ship fits by equipping them. Explorers with cargo scanners have one less option available in a pvp situation.

I've had people tell me they've never seen a ghost site. 90% of the time the reason is because they have anomalies hidden to declutter their probe scan window!

If we killing cargo scanning there should be less cans to hack, maybe -2 per site. Sleepers sites are obvious problem there are to many of them.

It's because there are no difference between anoms in scanner window. We can filter anoms/signatures, not inside the anoms category. I've posted this in new scanner window thread.

It's will decrease the treshold for the sites, unless using dat/relic script will require data/relic skill.

CCP RedDawn do you have time for data loot only or maybe for something more? Maybe we will bake some explo little things or some sticky "The state of exploration" thread with thoughts about it. We have analyzers, cargo scanners and sites ideas, maybe it's time to gather post odyssey feedback in one thread.

A good reason to do something, lol. But I'd fix that problem, by making it not filter-able. Let this type be the one anom you can always see.

Suggestion: add the hacking mini-game to the thukker container in besiged sites. They're currently fairly uninteresting as an extra loot container you just have to burn 10km for.

Edit: would it also be possible to make probe scanner filters for anomalies, too? I'd quite like to filter out faction warfare sites but keep signature, besiged sites, etc.

I did some digging about cosmos modules. They are basically easier to fit (lower PG and CPU requirements) and have lower activation costs. They perform as good as T2 mods. Not bad, definatelly something worth so look at in terms of fittings.
Maufacturing is a problem, they using sleepers materials.
Where do you want them in term of cost CCP? Between T2 and deadspace mods?


PvP? In covop frig? They are for scanning not fighting.

Personally I would say, in addition to any fitting advantages, some or all of the 'Storyline' & certainly 'COSMOS' modules need to have better performance statistics than their T2 equivalents. This has been done with a couple of 'Storyline' modules that are extremely rare drops but as yet nothing else has happened on this issue.

Most of the 'COSMOS' modules are difficult at best to construct whereas T2 technology is 'cheap as chips' and easily acquired so it makes sense for COSMOS & Storyline modules to perform better than T2 tech. I am not calling for the rarity element of COSMOS & Storyline to be lessened particularly as some stuff in-game should harder to acquire. Even officer modules seem to more readily available though so maybe the very rare materials required need to be easier to source. The market/contract price for some of these items is usually exorbitant.

I have pushed for this to happen before and hope at some point it can happen.