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[Focus Group] Tactical Destroyers Signup

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Hans Bonderstadt
#21 - 2015-10-01 17:01:34 UTC
Applying for a position here
I'm a small gang/solo PvP player who has been following/using T3d's since the confessor had been released, and to this day still PVP in them, and around them.

the trap is our venue pussy is on the menu
Birgitta Dahl
brain drain corp
#22 - 2015-10-01 17:08:15 UTC
If you're interested in participating in this focus group, please post in this thread with an explanation of why you feel that you would make a valuable addition.

I am part of the larger community of more casual gamers and I participate in nearly every aspect of the game [not sov at this time, I have had some bad experiences]. Recently coming from faction warfare where I personally think T3D's are a bit too over-powered when comparing to Assault Frigates.

I have some ideas for quick and easy balance changes that should put t3ds more inline with t2 assault frigs.
Joffy Aulx-Gao
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#23 - 2015-10-01 17:21:24 UTC
I flew and practicced alot in T3Ds during AT and i think i'll be a good addition to this focus Group.

I'm a lowsec pirate and diplo of A Band Apart.
Asher Elias
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2015-10-01 17:23:47 UTC
I'm interested, I've helped design Imperium t3d doctrines and FC'd small, mid, and large size fleets of them. I've also flown them solo and in small gang so I have experience in almost all forms of t3d combat.
Keskora Yaari
POS Party
Ember Sands
#25 - 2015-10-01 17:29:10 UTC
I would like to participate. I am the CEO of a large class-2 wormhole corp and we use T3 destroyers quite a bit for roaming through frig holes or in wolf-rayets. It is a ship that we recommend everyone in our corp train into since it is a rather quick train and can be easily purchased and transported into our home wormhole. As CEO and diplo, I am very involved in talking with my fellow wormholers and I feel I could offer valuable perspective and input to the focus group.
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#26 - 2015-10-01 17:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rioghal Morgan
I would like to participate. I regularly FC small gangs as well as solo in WH and FW space so I've had a quite extensive exposure to the T3 dessies and how they've shaped the meta in both places. I also fly the Svipul and Hecate quite often myself.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-10-01 17:29:56 UTC
Hi CCP, I would like to be part of the focus group. I'm a full time PvPer, either solo or in NPSI fleets and considering myself an expert on (true) solo hunting with combat probes. You guess right, this requires a T3D. Blink I have a solid knowledge about game mechanics and like to help newbies with their questions as well as to give feedback to planned features / changes. My agenda is to make sure T3Ds keep their versatility and unique capabilities as an accessible solo ship which can perform well even without an OGB. Best, Tipa.

I'm my own NPC alt.
aria Yatolila
Goddess Of Victory - NIKKE
Bled Roamers
#28 - 2015-10-01 17:32:21 UTC
i'd like to participate as i love to fly t3d dessy. I fly them since the release of the confessor in differents cases,
solo, micro/small gang and sometime in more bigger fleet.

Lady Yatolila, retainer of her Lady Kadesh and Khanid Royal House
JOhnDrees
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#29 - 2015-10-01 17:35:54 UTC
Hello,
This sounds like a ton of fun and I would love to participate.
I have experience with all 4 t3d like most of these fine capsuleers. I'd like to submit this video as evidence of my understanding of how these ships are currently being used in the game.

https://youtu.be/j4-7kvxCEDM

Thank you for your consideration.

JohnDrees
William Rokov
Better go yolo
Yolo Brothers
#30 - 2015-10-01 17:42:48 UTC
I would like to be a part of focus group. I am solo pvp player, that mostly fly on cruisers, but got a lot of experience in fights against t3d, u can check it on my killboard. My posts about balance usually grounded on some logic, u can check example of it in this thread.
If focus group i will be able to provide feedback from that part of game - true solo pvp, without any links or scouts, and how t3d changed it before huge nerf in summer and after that.

No links, no scouts. True solo pvp pilot.
Ong
Lumberjack Commandos
#31 - 2015-10-01 17:56:33 UTC
I personally don't have the time to get involved due to Uni work, however I would like to add this: Those that shout the loudest are not always right.

Hope it goes well o/
Darius Caliente
The Pinecone Squad
United Federation of Conifers
#32 - 2015-10-01 18:08:00 UTC
Hello,

Please accept this post as a declaration of my interest to participate in the focus group.

It would be easiest to start with the tactical destroyer stats on zkillboard for this character. You will see that i have died in and killed every T3D in the game on multiple occasions. I have used both typical fits and non-standard fits (purger svipul, ab hecate).

My life in EVE is PvP and I have an interest in all aspects of it. I also feel that not all of the recent changes to ships and modules have been positive. I feel that a number of wrong turns have been made and would like to see EVE Online stay on course. I find that the forums are detrimental to realistic discussion and conversation due to the constant noise of trolls. Another form of communication, such as a limited access Slack instance, is a wonderful way to have valuable conversations without the background noise.

Beyond my PvP life in EVE, I feel that a few things have prepared me for a situation like this:

1) My day job involves managing a team of researchers. I'm quite familiar with the notions of consensus and debate. I understand that it's not personal and it's simply business... this is an understanding that many members of these forums appear to lack. I'm also good at herding nerds and maintaining a sense of diplomacy.

2) I live and breathe pyfa. Not only do I spend my days theory crafting and messing around with fits -- most of which I will try at least once on TQ, regardless of how good or bad they are -- I also spend my days tweaking pyfa. I keep a working copy of pyfa where I modify ship stats and bonuses to see just how certain changes will affect the game. I often provide friends with modified copies of the pyfa client when changes are announced so that they can play with ship fittings ahead of time.

I think this is a great opportunity and I'd love to come along for the ride.

Thanks,
Darius.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#33 - 2015-10-01 18:16:52 UTC
I have flown many T3D's in solo / small gang / turny. I feel that I have a good grasp of PvP inside eve and could offer some thought provoking discussion. Please let me know if I can be of any help :)
Great Creator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-10-01 18:21:16 UTC
Hello - i`m wanna join to this focus group too :) \0/
i`m fly duo with my m8 usualy, but sometimes solo (espesialy when all around cry about prenerf swipul (to kill dat thing - easyyyy XD )

i think i know how to fight on/vs t3d in micro gang or solo
fly on 3 of them (confy, svipul and jackdaw a little)

wanna help you with my exp :)
Neg Negritas
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-10-01 18:22:05 UTC
I would like to apply to this group to help with the balance of T3Ds, I have flown them a lot over the last few months and think that I am reasonable good in solo pvp and analysing the current meta.

o7 Neg
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#36 - 2015-10-01 18:35:55 UTC
I usually avoid flying overpowered bullshit due to my space bushido hipster code.

because of the 25m hull cost, the 3km/s speed mode, the gatecamp immunity with the mode swapping, the endless turret overheating and just the massive increase in everything over a thrasher for only about double the cost of a basically free ship, I caved in and flew something overpowered for a while.

apologising to all my opponents, and just being seen in the svipul, it got too embarassing after a while so I stopped.

I find it kind of funny that all the instalocking svipul cancer camps around the place, the solution to them is to fly a svipul.

anyway I'm ok with jackdaws and hecates I guess, except the agility nonsense they can pull just like the others.
BrainStraw
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#37 - 2015-10-01 18:38:27 UTC
I would like to participate in this focus group. I have been doing small gang for a long time and have very broad game knowledge, and I fly the Svipul and Confessor the most out of the 4, and these 2 in my opinion are the most unbalanced of them all. I would love to give some feedback as I want EVE to be a healthy and prosperous game, and I want to see some variety in ship choices as the game progresses.
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-10-01 18:57:37 UTC
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#39 - 2015-10-01 19:08:17 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
I'll throw my hat in the ring.

In terms of my in game resume, I can fly all four Tactical Destroyers on four different characters and have used the Confessor extensively, Hecate a bit, and Svipul a little. I have not yet undocked my Jackdaw. Due to RL reasons, I had a long hiatus from the game and I have only been active in game for about the past month. In that time, however, I think I have developed some understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of this ship class.

I particularly love small-gang brawling in T3D's, especially in my hull-tanked Hecate or dual-repped Confessor. While it is not a solo kill, I am a particular fan of this one - https://zkillboard.com/kill/48959440/ - I probed him down, caught him, and then held on for dear life while overheating everything. I was at 70% structure when he popped. It's even money whether Malto made any difference in the outcome of that fight (dear Ion warped in late and just managed to tag the guy before he popped).

By the same token, I am a fan of this loss - https://zkillboard.com/kill/48978351/ - I bit off more than I could chew. I didn't have a strong enough tank (since fixed that issue) and didn't start killing his drones soon enough. But, I went for a better ship solo and got a good fight out of it. My friends showed up to the party late and killed him after I popped.

I also love the tactical options presented by the ability to fit the expanded probe launcher. I've gained quite a few kills from utilizing this aspect of the ship, whether in small gang or solo. For example, I earned this kill by probing down this guy's safe spot while he was scanning. I guess he forgot to cloak. Not a difficult fight in itself, but so often in Eve the hardest part of the fight is finding someone to kill and catching them, not the actual killing.

I would like to see the "tactical probing" aspect of the ships expanded upon, because it pains me how many T3D's I see flying without a probe launcher. It appears to me that on many fits, players are forgoing the fitting cost of the probe launcher and using the extra fitting space to cram on something else, which makes the ships as a whole appear unbalanced. I don't want to pigeon hole T3D's completely, but a nudge more in the "tactical probing/solo hunting" role seems appropriate. Pushing the ships more in this direction, and away from "yet another tanky fleet doctrine" or "yet another kitey nano ship" seems to me to be a good adjustment. Then we can breathe some life into the Assault Frigates as the fleet doctrine ships.

Quite apart from my in game experience with them, I think I have demonstrated an ability to communicate calmly, clearly, and politely throughout these forums.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Danmal
TYR.
Exodus.
#40 - 2015-10-01 19:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Danmal
This is much needed, and I am glad to see the high caliber of chaps who apply for this group. Please make sure to include some of the vehement critics of this ship class, not just its fans, in your focus group (as long as they promise to be constructive). There are many who call some ships cancer but turn out to be the greatest fans and have a whole hangar full of cancers. Please make also sure that T3D's largely meta-breaking relationship with some other ship classes (like the sadly neglected Assault Frigates) receives ample discussion.

Only looking at the ships themselves, I see the following patterns:

1. They are over-tanked in defense mode, in particular when active tanked. This has mostly to do with the size of the resist bonus. Reducing the resist bonus could be compensated for by better shield/armor HP if passive/buffer variants should be preserved.

2. They are too mobile in speed mode (both in terms of speed and align). In addition, the acceleration/insta-warp trick using mode-switching probably should not work, as somebody pointed out earlier.

3. The scan res bonus in sharpshooter mode is overpowered, whereas I find the other bonuses in that mode ok.

4. They essentially force no fitting tradeoffs when it comes to CPU (whereas they do to some extent for powergrid).

5. I do not think that they are too high DPS compared to other ships of that class.

6. I think that they have one great characteristic, which is, they are within arm's reach of the newbro compared to many other classes and provide the flexibility to do most everything that's interesting using just one ship. You might find this undesirable, but for the youngins these are great ships to look forward to.

All that said, what is probably more important is to consider carefully their supposed role in EVE and their relationship to other ship classes.