Market Discussions

Ok you believe that Plex is a healthy balanced market

with no artificial shortages

and that there is some mechanic, for transferring in game effort into real currency, to enable Plex purchases from CCP or others, to allow them to be brought into game,

to provide the required balance.

So we are always going to disagree.

Well if disagreeing, means the absense of sense and reason

Please explain the "IN GAME" balancing mechanisms for Plex.

And explain how in their absense any balance can be achieved without CCP injecting Plex to try to provide temporary liquidity.

Without an In Game balance machanism the Product will continously increase in price in the long term at an exponentially increasing rate.

And it will forever cease to be used for Redemption into Pilots services.

You totally ignored the question.

They could be 100m or 100 Bil, if the inherent value of the commodity justifies that, and the market responds accordingly.

Hey! That's our line.

Subsidized apple juice for everyone!



The inherent value is 30 days of game time, what's wrong with 1.2b ISK if that's what being paid? Speculating on whether CCP is selling them is silly as we simply don't have the data.

Lots of information in the previous post, hard to tell to be honest, whether it is an attempt to provide disinformation through obscuration, or genuinely felt. I will assume it is genuine, as I can be nice too.

Lets address just this one post in isolation.

Firstly do you REALLY believe that the customers who wish to grind plex are the same customers who would purchase plex outside of the game to buy isk. They HAVE the isk already and wish to turn it into Pilot services. No one in their right mind would buy plex out of game and exchange it, where they could buy gametime at a far cheaper rate.
The very definition of someone who Buys Plex to exchange for isk, is that they have insufficient ISK. They Need isk and Are the ones who sell them for ISK.

Grinding ISk to buy (or make) Plex in game to reexchange for Isk Is stupid action, and is not going to happen. There is No benefit to a player.

Therefore They are not Buying Plex in real life cash, THEY are not a loss or going to be, to CCP sales of Plex.
The ability to turn player effort and isk into Plex, by building them, Is going to have no effect on the income to CCP, other than the price of plex will have greater stability. CCP will determine the inputs/materials. Price going forward would be set by supply and demand and whether it is less effort/value to make or buy the finished form.

The only End users are those who wish to use it for It's intended purposes. Those purposes sterilise the product, removing them from the game, and sterilising their inputs. ie permenantly Removed from the economy.

It does not automatically mean cheaper prices. But it does mean balanced.

Secondly, as I repeatedly tried to explain (but is conviniently ignored) I stated I was not in favour of ANY particular mechanism, I suggest a Balancing mechanism, such as exists for every other item, to allow player actions to influence supply. ie maxallon goes up, miners decide it is worth mining more, supply increases, price balances, the same mechanisms exist for manufacturing, exploration, missioning, and every other activity and commodity.

No stabilisation is possible by player action of a strategic asset like plex other than letting one's account expire.
Only on the demand side do we have an influence, and only in a way that is self destructive.

I do however find it hard to believe that any player would see this as a positive and desireable situation unless they have a vested interest that is stronger than the desire for a healthy game.

Of course in the interests of being nice, I could imagine one becomes so distracted by the pretty graphs, one might seek enlightenment in them, Leading to them not seeing the underlying structure and reality of the situation.

Note when there is the smell of sulphur in the air, and the ground rumbles underfoot, looking for auguries in chicken entrails, whilst making one look like an oracle, and wise, does not really ensure survival.

Why do you write these long meandering posts that really don't say much of anything. That first paragraph is a horrible mess. You seem to be contradicting yourself. You write this, "No one in their right mind would buy plex out of game and exchange it, where they could buy gametime at a far cheaper rate." then you write this, "The very definition of someone who Buys Plex to exchange for isk, is that they have insufficient ISK. They Need isk and Are the ones who sell them for ISK."

Here is the deal, some people like to play Eve. Some of those people do not want to or do not have the time to grind for ISK. So buying a PLEX and selling it in game is a good thing for them and for the person buying the PLEX. It is also good for CCP as they make some extra money. It boils down to this, for $20 a player can become an Eve billionaire. Seed money to start trading or invention...or whatever. Or they could drop it on ships for PvP and skip the grinding for ISK.

And making PLEX in game will side step the current fact that right now to get a PLEX somebody had to initially give CCP $20. It is a bad, bad, bad idea.

The inherent value is 30 days of game time, what's wrong with 1.2b ISK if that's what being paid? Speculating on whether CCP is selling them is silly as we simply don't have the data.

Assuming the person you are discussing issues with is mentally deficient, and ignoring the points that are being raised, is hardly helpful. You do not need to keep harping on the basics.. I know....

What I am seeing is an example of someone skimming through a document, picking on one or two obvious points and taking them out of context without reading the whole thing, and Saying I do not like your conclusions, I have not read it, but you are bad and your conclusions are bad.

I know the market is going up
I know all the reasons why it is, you can even see them in my posts.

What I do not see is a mechanism that counters the feedback that is in place, unlike Every other commodity in the market.
And " Just spend money you tight fisted poor" is not a mechanism to control self reinforcing feedback!

Understand yet? Try reading, understanding, and not from a viewpoint of everything is great, he must be wrong.

Do you want n economics education? Or is it you think there is a simple answer to that question, the answer if you insist is it depends on when you look at it.

I could post 50 pages of text in a more detailed reply, but you probably want it in two words.(and besides you are not paying consultancy fees)

Middle length answer. Economic turmoil, until homeostasis is achieved. Because mechanisms do exist to make that achieveable, unlike a certain product we were meant to be discussing.