EVE General Discussion

I wouldn't expect this to be the last iteration by any means. It seems more like they were trying to iron out the details (I can imagine the arguments over the several dozen different skills and levels) and wanted to get it out ASAP instead of waiting 7 more weeks.

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yes that is it, nothing more for new players ever! in fact starting next patch new players won't even be able to train skills, the patch after that concord will automatically attack new players, and two or three after that one (can't always be sure with these things) new players will randomly start exploding and losing all SP upon death.

Maybe they can turn it into a "teach the newbie some things" minigame. Like, if you try to allocate the skillpoints to Energy Systems Management, a pop-up window appears with "Wow that is a great choice, that skill helps a lot in PVP!", and if you try to allocate the points to Sentry Drones, the window could say "Not a good choice for a brand new pilot, as you may not have access to the ships that can use Sentry Drones for a while."

I guess if the 400K SP is all in relevant stuff like CPU/PG Management, Weapon Upgrades, Cap Management, etc, that will save a week of training that can now be used on skills that increase your damage or tank, which is a good thing. I really wouldn't object if new players started with a million, TBH.

I think the current NPE is God-awful. Worse than the previous incarnation, hands down. Does the NPE even direct players to career agents any more?

It's a big advantage newbies get now over former times, skills at level 4 to start with is borderline IMO. People crying for more will never be satisfied until they start with 200mio SP ... It would be better IMO to guide newbies in getting these skills as fast as possible while giving some narrative / tutorial. Just handing them out is a missed learning opportunity.

My proposal, guide newbies to reach that skilltree (learning how to skill, choosing skills), then handing out 300k extra SP after the trial as an incentive to subscription.

I wouldn't expect further changes any time soon.

NPE changes are going to happen for one of two reasons:

1. A well formed argument is made as to why the change is objectively better than the current system, without incurring undue LOE or adverse side effects.
2. Retention numbers are up.

This changes is an example of the first one. The new skill assignments all but eliminate the wait for fitting that people see in the first few hours/days of their time playing EVE. No more waiting for 30 minutes to train Industry I for that career agent, or putting together a fit you saw on the EVE Uni site, only to find out you don't have the right pre-reqs for a shield extender.

If you can provide an argument for further changes, feel free.

The second will be something we find out about in six months. In theory, there will be a December staff meeting during which CCP Quant will stand before the assembled department heads and explain how, since Vanguard launched, player trial conversions, 30 day and 60 day retention is all up by X%. Exit interviews show "FU Skill-queue online!" has dropped as a reason for players unsubbing by Y%.

Assuming that happens, expect further experimentation with the NPE, and skills as a whole.

All new accounts also getting TITANs that fire NUKES.....

OP,the Gift horse is perfoming a 180 to deliver YOUR gift

This was my preferred idea. The tutorial teaches them about the skills and then you get instant training on those specific skills. I'm sure it's pain to code thougu so that's s why they went with the new skill tree.

Naw boys aint gunna be no mor for the newboys becuz that ain't gunna jive with these ol money boys got 10 accounts goin an hav to keep a newbruh down.