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All new characters will now start with ~400,000 skillpoints
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#21 - 2015-09-24 14:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
They should give players choices of what skills they receive. Even if this means CCP creating focused skill sets you can choose on creation of your char.
Trader. PvP, Miner etc.

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Caladan Panzureborn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-09-24 14:59:24 UTC
This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO.
Shadowace Evi
CroGi
#23 - 2015-09-24 15:31:44 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO.


someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#24 - 2015-09-24 15:37:53 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Might as well be first


Is this backfilling, CCP?


Does that mean we all get 400,000?






Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2015-09-24 15:41:03 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Might as well be first

Is this backfilling, CCP?

Does that mean we all get 400,000?

Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too!

Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#26 - 2015-09-24 15:45:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Might as well be first

Is this backfilling, CCP?

Does that mean we all get 400,000?

Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too!

Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no.




Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)!


P

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#27 - 2015-09-24 15:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
When I started playing, one of the joys of mine was looking how fast are skills trained and hurling there everyone I could find. New player, you will be spared that, I feel for you.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Xennos Octavian
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-09-24 15:46:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Hir Miriel wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Might as well be first

Is this backfilling, CCP?

Does that mean we all get 400,000?

Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too!

Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no.


So perhaps this character will be getting 400,000 Skill points given to them?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2015-09-24 15:50:44 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:

Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)!

It's only unfair to those new players who don't get the skills from the start. You already have them. That's why they get the SP and you do not. Blink

Get your own planets on your own time, dammit.
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-09-24 16:08:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:

Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)!

It's only unfair to those new players who don't get the skills from the start. You already have them. That's why they get the SP and you do not. Blink

Get your own planets on your own time, dammit.


We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair?

Typical "help the nubs, screw the vets" game developer mentality.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Ryu Chaos
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2015-09-24 16:09:16 UTC
imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone Twisted

@RyuChaos_
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-09-24 16:13:19 UTC
Ryu Chaos wrote:
imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone Twisted


What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone? No matter how long you've been playing, at some point you paid a subscription and spent 1-2 weeks training the new skills.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#33 - 2015-09-24 16:21:59 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair?


Boo hoo!

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#34 - 2015-09-24 17:09:55 UTC
Mag's wrote:
They should give players choices of what skills they receive. Even if this means CCP creating focused skill sets you can choose on creation of your char.
Trader. PvP, Miner etc.


I dislike this idea for the same reason I hate all forced specialization at lower levels. You have literally no idea what you want to do when you first get in the door, forcing a newbie down one route to the detriment of the rest is the single worst part of EVE skills philosophy.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-09-24 17:19:41 UTC
they can always biomass and start over.

it's not a bad idea if done right, as the skill system is very complex. what do players have to go by right now, mastery? they'll end up thinking they need ridiculous amounts of SP to fly a mission ship.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#36 - 2015-09-24 17:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Johnny Riko wrote:
We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair?
Because you've had full use of that SP for almost a year.
Hell, I got more than that for free — you should be angry at me, not the new players.

Quote:
Typical "help the nubs, screw the vets" game developer mentality.
The vets got twice as much for free. So no, they were not screwed over by this. Hell, if they plaid their skill choice right, they will probably be nearly seven million SP ahead for free.

Quote:
What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone?
There's no need and no reason to.
Caladan Panzureborn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-09-24 17:37:29 UTC
Shadowace Evi wrote:
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO.


someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff.


That's how it works in other MMOs and it makes sense. Do tutorials, get SP. It's a no brainer and motivates newbs to learn the game. It could be: complete all opportunities get x amount of SP for general use. Complete a career agent's arc, get x amount of SP for career applicable skills. ie. complete the exploration career agent arc, get SP that can be used on exploration specific skills like scanning or whatever.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#38 - 2015-09-24 17:39:05 UTC
It's simply a nice gesture from CCP to the newer player. Though I personally will not benefit from it, it does please that some will and if it helps retain just one extra new player then op success imho.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-09-24 17:43:56 UTC
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
Shadowace Evi wrote:
Caladan Panzureborn wrote:
This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO.


someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff.


That's how it works in other MMOs and it makes sense. Do tutorials, get SP. It's a no brainer and motivates newbs to learn the game. It could be: complete all opportunities get x amount of SP for general use. Complete a career agent's arc, get x amount of SP for career applicable skills. ie. complete the exploration career agent arc, get SP that can be used on exploration specific skills like scanning or whatever.



that's a thought.

i started a new character recently and it reminded me that the bar is so high for newer players and it must be discouraging.

i quite literally can't bring a drake /o\

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2015-09-24 17:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cancel Align NOW
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Raffael Ramirez wrote:
Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.



They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!"


Probably true.



"They" need to be encouraged to look at competent new players skill plans eg Tippia's.

"They" need to be encouraged to look at the amazing newbie friendly groups available within the game eg Scipio's