EVE General Discussion

That's not a problem. That's just an excuse for not ruining their day.

A ganker constantly losing ships becomes a problem because it means they can't gank. It's not a matter of making them lose ISK — it's about achieving a mission kill, which is far more devastating since it means they've lost the one thing they can't get back: time.

Note the (very deliberate) change in wording there: constantly rather than occasionally. It's the occasional part that is the result of player choice; the mechanics are there to make it constant, but there is this collective decision to not bother providing that consequence.

Eh. I don't quite agree. Response is entirely possible, especially given the ganking methods currently in favour. Also, how can you project deterrence without ability to respond? For the evasion part, sure, but presenting a parade of defenders does indeed communicate that this is a hard target which means that response works as a tactic.

*passes Bumblefck another cold one*

We're talking about consequences though, right? So the consequence of ganking is that you might lose a ship you aim to lose. Not exactly what I would call a consequence.

Except it never happens, and never could happen. Mechanics are weighted so that it's impossible to actually stop a ganker. Sure, you might get the odd white knight volley one off the field in a blob, but even a half awake ganker is guaranteed to reach their target.

You cost them time if you intercept them enroute to the gank. If you take out the scout who decides to go suspect for taking the loot, then you cost them their loot.

Moreover, it's just fun blowing up internet pixels.

The far far majority of players never leave hi sec.

The far far majority of updates are only for nullsec.

These 2 facts show whoever makes decisions here is real dumb.

Is it really a surprise people are leaving when the majority is ignored for the minority?

This HAS to be Iceland thinking because this nonsense wouldn't make sense anywhere else.
Congrats guys you just dev'd yourself out of jobs, oh yea, that's your future.

It is not the weight of the mechanics which limit white knighting. It is the play style choice of those involved. The ideal gank target is a solo player with no interest in shooting others. Such a player will probably not have the inclination to learn how to track -10s locations and make them targets. There is much misinformation about how one can hurt gankers in anti ganking channels.

Please note I am not saying that when one is ganked they should fight back nor implying it is their own fault, I am just saying anyone can use the game mechanics to their own end and my observation is that some use the mechanics more than others.

It just makes them reship. I've ganked a lot and even with knights guarding the gates I've never thought "Well this is slowing me down".

In all honesty, I just don't see the player imposed consequences for ganking being in line with other player imposed consequences. There's just nothing for a disposable alt to really lose.

Even with full white knight intel and assistance, it still doesn't really change the landscape at all. Gankers just shoot someone else if the target is likely to be saved or just gank it anyway since the difference nights makes is minimal. I've been on both sides of it and firmly believe that defending a gank target is ridiculously more challenging than ganking one. Just getting on grid within the window is more challenging than ganking.

Your suggestion is a heinous, anti sandbox mechanic that would pretty much destroy the game. What you want is to never have to leave your little bubble, where you can effect others by just farming red crosses all day with zero effort. You want to remove any semblance of a burden of effort towards yourself, in one of the single most selfish things I have ever seen proposed on a video game forum.

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it.

Sounds like a great idea that would work hand in hand with the removal of concord.

Go ahead and link a post then, where I used the word "WRONG" about something someone was doing in high sec. I know lots of good players in high sec, I play in high sec (incursions) from time to time. I dislike a subset of the high sec population that whines, but they aren't unique, in fact they are just like people in null who whine about AFK cloaking.

Stupid and Wrong are 2 different things, and a player doesn't have t be in high sec to do something stupid of hold a stupid opinion. If you can't understand what I'm saying, ask for clarification.