EVE General Discussion

CCP's only real issue that we don't really have the data to analyse is how much in the black EVE is and how long it will stay like that. It's obviously financing their other projects right now but you can bet they are looking at the income numbers more than any player think and putting all possible effort, missguided or not, into making sure it never goes red.

The sperging on the forum is pretty funny seeing as we lack the real important number to have a good viewpoint. We know the online number but the the subscribed number which is an order of magnitude if not more important. If your account is subbed, the money flows in no matter how rarely you log in. Losing thousand of of online account is not really that big of a deal as long as they are still subbed. For all we know, it could all just be less cyno alts being left online since you can't use them 4 region away at the drop of a hat but the account are still subbed and afk training a long ass skill plan.

100 pages of hurfing and blurfing without any actual meaningful number. This is EVE.

1st and formost, people need to STFU about PLEX so newbie might not believe it's the only sign of being successful at this damn game.

What do you suppose will happen when the gazelles go home at the request of the lions? This natural selection you speak of will eventually take its toll on even the lions themselves. I think that's what's happening now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not commenting on whether it's the right thing to do or not in sending the "weak" away. I'm just saying be prepared for the consequences. As someone above said, the game will now truly become a game of the "20 percenters".

Like what ? A sandbox player build system wide structure that lets PvE Ratting sites spawn like mushrooms? Oh wait ... that allready exsists for YEARS.

People like you dont understand that something that was build, needs to be distroyed at some point. Thats the nature of a sandbox game. Otherwise we would drown in ships and modules and Ore.

Players who only want to play PvE and no PvP do this because they dont want to lose. They allways want to win. Thats not how a sandbox works. You build something, it gets destroyed, you build it up gain. If it never gets destroyed, you can never build it up again. You basically build it a single time and then you drown in boredom.

The only other way to solve this problem is powercreep where we would have T1 and T2 ... T15 ships just like armor sets in WoW. And every ship except the last is totally useless because it will be replace by the next tier in a couple of months.
There are 10000 games like that out there. This is not one of them.

Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored. You pointed it out right there what the issue is, you give no fucks. Some of us remember being in awe of EVE and what it could be, but it's falling behind rapidly because some people are happy to let the game stagnate rather than improving it to keep up with the changing gamer market. The old market is dead, and CCP need to move on. The game needs all types. Suggesting it's good when any subset of the game leaves just because they don't play like you is top tier dumb.

why do people come to a game with the intention to change it to suit them?

And yet most of the mechanics around these are the same as ever. The same fits that used to work still work and the tricks worked out several years ago still work in exactly the same way.

All that means is that you've found the bits you like and stuck to them. What about people who don't like doing exactly what you do? There are many types of players in this game and you are not the model player.

I play a variety of games, and have played EVE for 10 years, with multiple trips to fanfest. I think it's a bad thing that EVE is worse than it has been and is going downhill. That you are happy to watch things get worse because you live in THE PRESENT is irrelevant to that. Elite is a better game, and that's a shame. EVE should be great, but it won't be if people that strive for better get trolled out of game by toxic elements of the community.

I PvP more than I PvE. Most PvP is too easy. Like ridiculously so. When I joined I came from a game that did the same as this. They start out with an idea that everything should be hardcore and loss matters, then they slowly fix it so that you don't need to ever put anything on the line in the first place. People like to think that they are elite because they sit behind the protection of concord picking out only the targets that they can kill with ease, generally on an alt, and it's laughably terrible.

It's not freedom, you're just picking part of the game you like. You can do that in any game. I'm free to only play capture the flag in COD or only run strikes in Destiny. You're still tied down by the mehanics, the only difference is that at any moment a neckbeard can force the least risky PvE player into PvP (and yet you can't force the PvP players into PvP).

It's not about that, it's about continuing to improve upon playstyles. You're happy because your playstyle has been improved? Great, but don't be shitting on other players because they are no longer as happy with theirs. People will differ in opinions and they'll all try to get them across and people will disagree, that's fine. It just becomes dumb when one type of player unilaterally declares that another should just leave because EVE "isn't for them", especially when the person they are talking to has been playing for a ludicrous amount of time.

I disagree. There are many types of lions, including the type that just like with your gazelle, sits down at a desk and writes angry letters demanding things be changed to suit the lion. And then there is the lion that plays the game and keeps it light. Then there is the lion that's in it for the grief and tears. So your example is a little biased and with an agenda of its own.

But that isn't even the point of what I said. We've become complacent and allowed our playerbase to dissipate under the assumption, whether true or not, that Eve is a game for the few and elite. We're now at a point where we're bleeding out and losing subscription resources. Our game will now become one for the few and elite. This is the consequence of our own actions. This is what we've wanted. This is what we deserve.

A lion is a Lion. The ONLY thing important to a Gazelle should be the fact that it can eat you.



Good (as long as CCP continues to make a profit). Why do so many of you want to play with scrubs who can't even weather the inconsequential storm of a video game?

Some of us like Exclusive, high quality things, while others of you think a night out on the town is going to wal-mart while actually wearing shoes.

Truth is most gamers suck (open any public TS3 channel, see for yourself). Fewer of them is better (even EVE was better when it was smaller anyway), especially considering that the people we are talking about were non-contributing zeros in the 1st place.