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Decline in numbers... starting to turn into RAPID!!!

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2001 - 2015-09-22 13:16:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


how exactly do you cater to a game for players who have the attention span of a goldfish and who play an online game like its an offline solo game and basically contribute nothing to the game then leave because the price of plex is too high for them that they cant play for free?

They make themselves bored of this game, its not ccp's fault that alot of players who try this game dont enjoy it because they are not willing to play with other players


You're talking to people with an agenda, and also who like to see themselves as victims of something.

They don't understand that the problem has never been the game, it's people (and them). Most other games bend over backwards to accommodate the peculiar nature of gamers (by providing 'rewards', 'progression', 'immersion' and 'safety'. EVE for the most part does not, it provides tools and lets you make those things for yourself.

But most people just aren't good at that (or are unwilling to put in the effort to be good at it) and automatically expect a company to "make it right" for them.

There is no solution, because the problem is that in order to accommodate the masses and these people like the ones you are replying to, you have to utterly destroy what EVE is, because at the end of the day EVE is about freedom and freedom can't deliver the kind of canned experience these people need to enjoy themselves.


CCP's only real issue that we don't really have the data to analyse is how much in the black EVE is and how long it will stay like that. It's obviously financing their other projects right now but you can bet they are looking at the income numbers more than any player think and putting all possible effort, missguided or not, into making sure it never goes red.

The sperging on the forum is pretty funny seeing as we lack the real important number to have a good viewpoint. We know the online number but the the subscribed number which is an order of magnitude if not more important. If your account is subbed, the money flows in no matter how rarely you log in. Losing thousand of of online account is not really that big of a deal as long as they are still subbed. For all we know, it could all just be less cyno alts being left online since you can't use them 4 region away at the drop of a hat but the account are still subbed and afk training a long ass skill plan.

100 pages of hurfing and blurfing without any actual meaningful number. This is EVE.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2002 - 2015-09-22 13:18:41 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Arthur Hannigen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Meanwhile the majority of EVE players are quitting one by one, and that's a majority of players who PvE, stay in highsec and don't play much along other players.

One thing comes to mind: "Be careful what you wish for." These types of players have been frowned upon, hated on, and even told to go back to [insert whatever carebear game here]. Looks like they've been listening. And now we're left wondering on what went wrong. Eve is finally becoming the niche and elite game we deserve.


And CCP Seagull is its Prophet, giving extra tools to the Pewpew master builders and negating them to the heathen PvE crowds.

If EVE is a sandbox based on player generation of content, why there are no PvE mechanics to generate content?


2 things

#1, you continue to pay them to do the opposite of what you want (not surprising, EVE has never been what you want, but here you still are).

#2. Just FYI, your signature is a violation of a very important rule about not impersonating CCP employees.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2003 - 2015-09-22 13:20:38 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Boom Laison wrote:
erg cz wrote:
I used to look at sell orders count, provided by eve-marketdata. I find it to be very interesting especialy now. In the middle of june 2012 there was a large boom in numbers, which raised the numbers up to the level , where they were till the beginning of this summer... The whole summer sell order numbers were falling down to the level, where they were 3 years ago. It is not a spike, it is clear tendency.

So what happened in the middle of 2012? Why there was a sudden raise in market activity? And why we lost inlast two month almost 50% of the market ? I seriosly doubt it is because players start unsubscriding PLEXed market alts...


FW changes in Inferno patch? Maybe the rewamp FW as main tool to deliver fair fights (like now in novice PLEXes) for newbies is all we need...


I still believe it was more a result of good advertising move, done by CCP back in 2012. We need more smart advertising, not smaller PLEX price (newbie now can allow itself to lose more ships for one PLEX than ever before.)


1st and formost, people need to STFU about PLEX so newbie might not believe it's the only sign of being successful at this damn game.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2004 - 2015-09-22 13:21:59 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:


how exactly do you cater to a game for players who have the attention span of a goldfish and who play an online game like its an offline solo game and basically contribute nothing to the game then leave because the price of plex is too high for them that they cant play for free?

They make themselves bored of this game, its not ccp's fault that alot of players who try this game dont enjoy it because they are not willing to play with other players


You're talking to people with an agenda, and also who like to see themselves as victims of something.

They don't understand that the problem has never been the game, it's people (and them). Most other games bend over backwards to accommodate the peculiar nature of gamers (by providing 'rewards', 'progression', 'immersion' and 'safety'. EVE for the most part does not, it provides tools and lets you make those things for yourself.

But most people just aren't good at that (or are unwilling to put in the effort to be good at it) and automatically expect a company to "make it right" for them.

There is no solution, because the problem is that in order to accommodate the masses and these people like the ones you are replying to, you have to utterly destroy what EVE is, because at the end of the day EVE is about freedom and freedom can't deliver the kind of canned experience these people need to enjoy themselves.


CCP's only real issue that we don't really have the data to analyse is how much in the black EVE is and how long it will stay like that. It's obviously financing their other projects right now but you can bet they are looking at the income numbers more than any player think and putting all possible effort, missguided or not, into making sure it never goes red.

The sperging on the forum is pretty funny seeing as we lack the real important number to have a good viewpoint. We know the online number but the the subscribed number which is an order of magnitude if not more important. If your account is subbed, the money flows in no matter how rarely you log in. Losing thousand of of online account is not really that big of a deal as long as they are still subbed. For all we know, it could all just be less cyno alts being left online since you can't use them 4 region away at the drop of a hat but the account are still subbed and afk training a long ass skill plan.

100 pages of hurfing and blurfing without any actual meaningful number. This is EVE.



Pretty much. I will point out that the main people hurfing and blurfing where the same people doing the same ting when EVE's pcu numbers were growing.

The real deal here is their personal preference (and how EVE doesn't meet it for them, but somehow they keep playing, maybe out of some weird/insane sense of optimism or stubbornness).
Arthur Hannigen
#2005 - 2015-09-22 13:45:48 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

Is it wrong to demand that B-listers don't try and play at the top level - in Wimbeldon or world cup soccer? We expect the weak to drop out the bottom but the differences between EVE and IRL is here the weak unsub and go to something more appropriate to their skill level, in sport every country still offers a team because of the pride of having a team there anyway.

Maybe this attrition you have posited to the forum is just natural selection taking those who can't step up their game and moving them on gently to other activities.


What do you suppose will happen when the gazelles go home at the request of the lions? This natural selection you speak of will eventually take its toll on even the lions themselves. I think that's what's happening now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not commenting on whether it's the right thing to do or not in sending the "weak" away. I'm just saying be prepared for the consequences. As someone above said, the game will now truly become a game of the "20 percenters".
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#2006 - 2015-09-22 13:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Arthur Hannigen wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

Is it wrong to demand that B-listers don't try and play at the top level - in Wimbeldon or world cup soccer? We expect the weak to drop out the bottom but the differences between EVE and IRL is here the weak unsub and go to something more appropriate to their skill level, in sport every country still offers a team because of the pride of having a team there anyway.

Maybe this attrition you have posited to the forum is just natural selection taking those who can't step up their game and moving them on gently to other activities.


What do you suppose will happen when the gazelles go home at the request of the lions? This natural selection you speak of will eventually take its toll on even the lions themselves. I think that's what's happening now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not commenting on whether it's the right thing to do or not in sending the "weak" away. I'm just saying be prepared for the consequences. As someone above said, the game will now truly become a game of the "20 percenters".


Quick tip: "true" EVE players who do everything amount to roughly 30% of the player base. "Pure" PvPrs are another 8%. The rest are "go back to..." types, split as 25% who play EVE as a ordinary MMO, 25% who essentially just PvE and the jolly 12% who just chat and skillqueue.
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2007 - 2015-09-22 14:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Awkward
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Arthur Hannigen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Meanwhile the majority of EVE players are quitting one by one, and that's a majority of players who PvE, stay in highsec and don't play much along other players.

One thing comes to mind: "Be careful what you wish for." These types of players have been frowned upon, hated on, and even told to go back to [insert whatever carebear game here]. Looks like they've been listening. And now we're left wondering on what went wrong. Eve is finally becoming the niche and elite game we deserve.


And CCP Seagull is its Prophet, giving extra tools to the Pewpew master builders and negating them to the heathen PvE crowds.

If EVE is a sandbox based on player generation of content, why there are no PvE mechanics to generate content?


Like what ? A sandbox player build system wide structure that lets PvE Ratting sites spawn like mushrooms? Oh wait ... that allready exsists for YEARS.

People like you dont understand that something that was build, needs to be distroyed at some point. Thats the nature of a sandbox game. Otherwise we would drown in ships and modules and Ore.

Players who only want to play PvE and no PvP do this because they dont want to lose. They allways want to win. Thats not how a sandbox works. You build something, it gets destroyed, you build it up gain. If it never gets destroyed, you can never build it up again. You basically build it a single time and then you drown in boredom.

The only other way to solve this problem is powercreep where we would have T1 and T2 ... T15 ships just like armor sets in WoW. And every ship except the last is totally useless because it will be replace by the next tier in a couple of months.
There are 10000 games like that out there. This is not one of them.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2008 - 2015-09-22 14:02:47 UTC
Arthur Hannigen wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:

Is it wrong to demand that B-listers don't try and play at the top level - in Wimbeldon or world cup soccer? We expect the weak to drop out the bottom but the differences between EVE and IRL is here the weak unsub and go to something more appropriate to their skill level, in sport every country still offers a team because of the pride of having a team there anyway.

Maybe this attrition you have posited to the forum is just natural selection taking those who can't step up their game and moving them on gently to other activities.


What do you suppose will happen when the gazelles go home at the request of the lions? This natural selection you speak of will eventually take its toll on even the lions themselves. I think that's what's happening now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not commenting on whether it's the right thing to do or not in sending the "weak" away. I'm just saying be prepared for the consequences. As someone above said, the game will now truly become a game of the "20 percenters".


As the 80% did nothing of much interest, it's already a game of 20 percenters.

Also, that 20% thing is a lie. There are plenty of PVErs like me running around doing interesting things, and will be til the server shuts. People try to make it PVP vs PVE because they are trying to rally people to their false-cause.



It's funny you mention gazelles as I used that analogy once. There is only one kind of lion, but there are TWO kinds of Gazelles.

the 1st type of Gazelle (my kind) is running around eating whatever grass it likes and when they see a lion they run, but not before kick up some dirt, jumping over the lions and laughing at how inept the lions are at killing Gazelles.

Then there is that "other type" of gazelle, when they see a lion the run away (if they aren't afking the grass that is) to a cave. In the cave they turn on a light, sit down at a desk and write angry letters (forum post) to the United Nations about how lions need to be nerfed unless you want the gazelles to go play in a different part of Africa. That will show them damn lions, Angry letters aplenty!

SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2009 - 2015-09-22 14:14:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored. You pointed it out right there what the issue is, you give no fucks. Some of us remember being in awe of EVE and what it could be, but it's falling behind rapidly because some people are happy to let the game stagnate rather than improving it to keep up with the changing gamer market. The old market is dead, and CCP need to move on. The game needs all types. Suggesting it's good when any subset of the game leaves just because they don't play like you is top tier dumb.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2010 - 2015-09-22 14:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.


Ignored? Nonsense. If anything CCP has given me and people like me too many new tools and options. When i started there were now infinitely respawing anomalies, incursions, sleepers , microjump drives, target lock breakers, marauders, mobile depots and many other things I use all the time.

What you are displaying here is a fundamental misunderstanding of my "playstyle". I'm a sandbox PVEr, I 'need' rats to shoot, ships to fit and modules to fit them with. And other players who will try to help my pve/exploration or try to stop me from doing the same.

With EVE, that means CCP accomplished the mission.


Quote:

You pointed it out right there what the issue is, you give no fucks. Some of us remember being in awe of EVE and what it could be, but it's falling behind rapidly because some people are happy to let the game stagnate rather than improving it to keep up with the changing gamer market. The old market is dead, and CCP need to move on. The game needs all types. Suggesting it's good when any subset of the game leaves just because they don't play like you is top tier dumb.


You can't see past your own prejudices again. You weren't happy when the pcu count was growing, and you still aren't happy. The bolded part is why, you always wanted 'the future'.

I live in (and enjoy) THE PRESENT and thus can find fun and entertainment in what I have now without pinning my hopes on some mythical future greatness. This is why I like EVE whereas you are convinced that Elite is better/more fun...while stil haunting EVE forums.

Also you got it wrong again, when i say "NFG" it's about the same pvp'rs you['ve been advocating getting nerfed these last few years because "they have it too easy". Some of us don't need outside intervention to deal with them. REAL PVErs deal, fake PVErs complain on forums trying to get CCP to deal for them.

TL:DR : same as usual, the problem is you and your mindset (and people like you who love the future but hate the present), not CCP and their pvp-centric space game built on the concept of freedom.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2011 - 2015-09-22 14:41:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.


why do people come to a game with the intention to change it to suit them?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2012 - 2015-09-22 14:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Lan Wang wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.


why do people come to a game with the intention to change it to suit them?


I really do think it's latent human nature making itself seen in other venues (in this case, in a virtual world).

It's kind of like how a person can go into the wilderness and see unspoiled land teeming with life and beauty, and that person thinks "this would be a GREAT place for a strip mall, a sewage plant and a few office buildings! Now that's PROGRESS" lol.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2013 - 2015-09-22 15:00:12 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ignored? Nonsense. If anything CCP has given me and people like me too many new tools and options. When i started there were now infinitely respawing anomalies, incursions, sleepers , microjump drives, target lock breakers, marauders, mobile depots and many other things I use all the time.
And yet most of the mechanics around these are the same as ever. The same fits that used to work still work and the tricks worked out several years ago still work in exactly the same way.

Jenn aSide wrote:
What you are displaying here is a fundamental misunderstanding of my "playstyle". I'm a sandbox PVEr, I 'need' rats to shot, ships to fit and modules to fit them with. And other players who will try to help my pve/explore or try to stop me from doing the same.

With EVE, that means CCP accomplished the mission.
All that means is that you've found the bits you like and stuck to them. What about people who don't like doing exactly what you do? There are many types of players in this game and you are not the model player.

Jenn aSide wrote:
You can't see past your own prejudices again. You weren't happy when the pcu count was growing, and you still aren't happy. The bolded part is why, you always wanted 'the future'. I live in (and enjoy) THE PRESENT and thus can find fun and entertainment in what I have now without pinning my hopes on some mythical future greatness. This is why I like EVE whereas you are convinced that Elite is better/more fun...while stil haunting EVE forums.
I play a variety of games, and have played EVE for 10 years, with multiple trips to fanfest. I think it's a bad thing that EVE is worse than it has been and is going downhill. That you are happy to watch things get worse because you live in THE PRESENT is irrelevant to that. Elite is a better game, and that's a shame. EVE should be great, but it won't be if people that strive for better get trolled out of game by toxic elements of the community.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Also you got it wrong again, when i say "NFG" it's about the same pvp'rs you['ve been advocating getting nerfed these last few years because "they have it too easy". Some of us don't need outside intervention to deal with them. REAL PVErs deal, fake PVErs complain on forums trying to get CCP to deal for them.
I PvP more than I PvE. Most PvP is too easy. Like ridiculously so. When I joined I came from a game that did the same as this. They start out with an idea that everything should be hardcore and loss matters, then they slowly fix it so that you don't need to ever put anything on the line in the first place. People like to think that they are elite because they sit behind the protection of concord picking out only the targets that they can kill with ease, generally on an alt, and it's laughably terrible.

Jenn aSide wrote:
TL:DR : same as usual, the problem is you and your mindset (and people like you who love the future but hate the present), not CCP and there pvp-centric space game built on the concept of freedom.
It's not freedom, you're just picking part of the game you like. You can do that in any game. I'm free to only play capture the flag in COD or only run strikes in Destiny. You're still tied down by the mehanics, the only difference is that at any moment a neckbeard can force the least risky PvE player into PvP (and yet you can't force the PvP players into PvP).

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2014 - 2015-09-22 15:03:05 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.
We call those people “idiots”.

If you don't want to be shot in the face, don't play Counter Strike. No, the presence of produce on CS_Italy does not mean that the game caters to the Harvest Moon playstyle you're after — that play style is ignored because it's not part of the game.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2015 - 2015-09-22 15:05:56 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.
why do people come to a game with the intention to change it to suit them?
It's not about that, it's about continuing to improve upon playstyles. You're happy because your playstyle has been improved? Great, but don't be shitting on other players because they are no longer as happy with theirs. People will differ in opinions and they'll all try to get them across and people will disagree, that's fine. It just becomes dumb when one type of player unilaterally declares that another should just leave because EVE "isn't for them", especially when the person they are talking to has been playing for a ludicrous amount of time.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#2016 - 2015-09-22 15:07:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Many are like you, just not all are willing to just put up with their playstyles being generally ignored.
We call those people “idiots”.

If you don't want to be shot in the face, don't play Counter Strike. No, the presence of produce on CS_Italy does not mean that the game caters to the Harvest Moon playstyle you're after — that play style is ignored because it's not part of the game.
Except they aren't. They are people that were perfectly fine playing the game, and many even still are, but watching everyone else getting gameplay improvements while they get shat on is less than fun, so they want to put their opinions forward. Pretending they are irrelevant because you're happy with your playstyle doesn't make them the idiots.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Arthur Hannigen
#2017 - 2015-09-22 15:12:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


As the 80% did nothing of much interest, it's already a game of 20 percenters.

Also, that 20% thing is a lie. There are plenty of PVErs like me running around doing interesting things, and will be til the server shuts. People try to make it PVP vs PVE because they are trying to rally people to their false-cause.



It's funny you mention gazelles as I used that analogy once. There is only one kind of lion, but there are TWO kinds of Gazelles.

the 1st type of Gazelle (my kind) is running around eating whatever grass it likes and when they see a lion they run, but not before kick up some dirt, jumping over the lions and laughing at how inept the lions are at killing Gazelles.

Then there is that "other type" of gazelle, when they see a lion the run away (if they aren't afking the grass that is) to a cave. In the cave they turn on a light, sit down at a desk and write angry letters (forum post) to the United Nations about how lions need to be nerfed unless you want the gazelles to go play in a different part of Africa. That will show them damn lions, Angry letters aplenty!

SCREW those Cave (Care) Gazelles by the way. CCP simply needs to recruit more real "NFG" Gazelles.


I disagree. There are many types of lions, including the type that just like with your gazelle, sits down at a desk and writes angry letters demanding things be changed to suit the lion. And then there is the lion that plays the game and keeps it light. Then there is the lion that's in it for the grief and tears. So your example is a little biased and with an agenda of its own.

But that isn't even the point of what I said. We've become complacent and allowed our playerbase to dissipate under the assumption, whether true or not, that Eve is a game for the few and elite. We're now at a point where we're bleeding out and losing subscription resources. Our game will now become one for the few and elite. This is the consequence of our own actions. This is what we've wanted. This is what we deserve.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2018 - 2015-09-22 15:17:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
And yet most of the mechanics around these are the same as ever. The same fits that used to work still work and the tricks worked out several years ago still work in exactly the same way.


And because the game is so big, many 'tricks' don't get used or get forgotten etc.

Last week I mentioned on the missions and complexes forum about how I set my (FoF missile) Gila's drones to assist my mach, turn on the Gila's AB and set the Gila to orbit it's own drones, turning that ship into a 3rd autonomous 'mega' drone (as well as a point defense battery against NPc frigs. People were like "WTF, why didn't I think of that!

The week before last I actually experimented with Defender missiles and Smartbombs against NPC citadel Torps in DED plexes.

See that Lucas, SAND BOX PVE right that. CCP hasn't ignored me, they've buffed my experience (RAPID LIGHT DEFENDERS BRO). But you can't understand it, because you are clinging to a false narrative, one based on your own self interest (in realizing some 'vision' of EVE that doesn't exist and can't).

I'm not getting into a circular argument with you because I advise others not to which is why I'll end my part here. But Lucas Kell, I'm telling you, your issue is you and your incompatible preferences (and inability to leave EVE alone despite the fact that it's dissapointed you). I will never get your type, because I think in the long run it's easier to learn about yourself than it is to rage against what others (like CCP) are doing.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#2019 - 2015-09-22 15:24:26 UTC
Arthur Hannigen wrote:


I disagree. There are many types of lions, including the type that just like with your gazelle, sits down at a desk and writes angry letters demanding things be changed to suit the lion. And then there is the lion that plays the game and keeps it light. Then there is the lion that's in it for the grief and tears. So your example is a little biased and with an agenda of its own.


A lion is a Lion. The ONLY thing important to a Gazelle should be the fact that it can eat you.

Quote:

But that isn't even the point of what I said. We've become complacent and allowed our playerbase to dissipate under the assumption, whether true or not, that Eve is a game for the few and elite. We're now at a point where we're bleeding out and losing subscription resources. Our game will now become one for the few and elite. This is the consequence of our own actions. This is what we've wanted. This is what we deserve.


Good (as long as CCP continues to make a profit). Why do so many of you want to play with scrubs who can't even weather the inconsequential storm of a video game?

Some of us like Exclusive, high quality things, while others of you think a night out on the town is going to wal-mart while actually wearing shoes.

Truth is most gamers suck (open any public TS3 channel, see for yourself). Fewer of them is better (even EVE was better when it was smaller anyway), especially considering that the people we are talking about were non-contributing zeros in the 1st place.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2020 - 2015-09-22 15:25:45 UTC
thats the problem people seem to think they should be spoonfed everything and treat a sandbox like some sort of arena game, something happens that the player doesnt like then it NEEDS to be changed regardless who it affects, so instead of the player adapting to the sandbox these players expect for the sandbox to adapt to them. and thats not the way it works

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*