EVE General Discussion

I was not even sure I had the time to read through this entire thread. I started playing this game a few months back to take a break from World of Tanks. Seems even a game of this length can get long in the teeth and people find something else to play. I hope Eve sticks around for a few more years. Yea, for digital possessions. I at least got one of the Rifters from the 10th anniversary set I got off Ebay to start my Eve adventures.

a few months in EVE is the tip of the iceberg, don't deny yourself the experience EVE can give you because some negative fecks that probably never undock or even log in have nothing better to do but write shite on the forums, if you like the game play it and ignore them.

welcome to EVE

Well, the latest excuse is that "all MMOs are shrinking". You know, it's not just our tree that's wet, all the trees are wet because of the rain.

So first was that CCP was not fixing the broken game, then was the neglect of nullsec, then was the farewell to multiboxers and skilling alts... now it's the fading of the social MMOs since social Internet is bigger, better and cheaper as a social tool.

Meanwhile the majority of EVE players are quitting one by one, and that's a majority of players who PvE, stay in highsec and don't play much along other players.

Maybe EVE is going bad because people who don't PvP (so it's not the PvP) and don't nullsec (so it's not the nullsec) and don't multiplay (so it's not the multiplay) are not being attended by CCP, and there's no plans to attend them as PvPrs, nullseccers and multiplayers get CCP's unrestricted love and attention.

Have a shocking theory: maybe what is not working (EVE PCU) is not working because of what CCP doesn't does (take highsec solo PvErs as their bread and butter) instead of what they do (love the 30% that makes EVE unique).

'Unique' comes along with being small and expensive.

Yet EVE is 'Cheap', and Cheap comes along with being large and mainstream.

(Then there's 'Free', which is absolutely massive and mind bloggingly lowest common denominator...)

Meh,,,, Feck this thread and the self appointed prophets of EVE that hang out in it.
I've better things to do than read the rants of players that barely undock yet worry about how many people are logged in. right,,, i see where you're going with this

Hey ISD

for the love of bob lock this shite, it's more than run it's coarse.

Amazing someone gets it, to bad it wasn't a dev.

Game is catered to 20% of the playerbase, and they wonder why the 80% quit.
Bad management

And yet we've got plenty of evidence that 'broadening the game to appeal to a wider audience' only resulted in losing everything that made the game special to the customers it already had, ergo not being anything special to the new players that come on board later. Incredibly enough this is why the titans of the FPS genre COD and BF are losing buyers every iteration. MOH was scrapped completely for the same reason.

If you're not the target audience, then you're not the target audience, no more no less. The people who get on board because of things like Asakai and B-R but who leave shortly after *had* their marketing done to them. The ones who quit simply weren't that interested in the game and what it involves.

As with companies themselves they say only to worry when you see a sudden and high velocity exodus of high-ranking employees because it indicates a top/down vote of no confidence in the business itself. So the same thing could be said of EVE - when we witness a sudden and high velocity wave of unsubbing from veteran players (particularly their mains) then we have to worry. It's the vets who made the game it is today - the game that Asakai and B-R were used as vessels to advertise. The game that "This is EVE" was based off to advertise to new players.

I know that EVE is a complex animal that immediately affronts many people with it's obtuseness - IMO CCP could probably spend some more time on fixing the engine and multithreading. This game is old and it feels old too. It doesn't *look* that old but looks aren't going to compensate for the technical issues so many players experience.

FWIW (and to get political) most players these days should find EVE's stability to be fairly refreshing after the YEARS of terrible games and their always-online DRM and matchmaking that outright doesn't work.

Perhaps.

Is it wrong to demand that B-listers don't try and play at the top level - in Wimbeldon or world cup soccer? We expect the weak to drop out the bottom but the differences between EVE and IRL is here the weak unsub and go to something more appropriate to their skill level, in sport every country still offers a team because of the pride of having a team there anyway.

Maybe this attrition you have posited to the forum is just natural selection taking those who can't step up their game and moving them on gently to other activities.

Yet those players manage to "not enjoy" the game for about two years before quitting once they reach a certain glass ceiling.

Can you point me to where you got these numbers? I'd like to research the information you're using.

And CCP Seagull is its Prophet, giving extra tools to the Pewpew master builders and negating them to the heathen PvE crowds.

If EVE is a sandbox based on player generation of content, why there are no PvE mechanics to generate content?