EVE General Discussion

i think they are a tad expensive yeah but hardly outrageously so.

hardly matters though , they are vanity items so...

There is no fine print anywhere that is saying, just because skins are there, do they have to be explicitly affordable to your financial scenario. I would imagine they are more intended for people who want to look somewhat different and are priced to make them more unique.

There is no way I would want to pay money for a skin if everyone and their mother has it. What's the point in that?

Nor is this a move to the f2p model either. If the game became flooded with items such as: "You can now use a stargate TWICE in one hour for x unit of this item for $4", then yeh, that would be f2p.

You seem to be a bit confused. This was not about what I can or cant afford or about EVE being a f2p game. This is about high prices on multiple ships with the same hull( ie no extra art cost) being sold. Also Cheaply made Skins being sold for over 35$.

Take a second and re-look at what i'm trying to say. This is not a QQ thread whining about Skins being to much for me to afford ( I could buy them all and still be financially ok, if not of sould mind) This is a thread about CCP's bad business model. 8$ for a ship skin is greedy and I don't like where that may lead CCP and EVE online to.

No no, I understood perfectly. I counter claim that it is you, who does not understand and yes, it is entirely about affordability. To some people, £10 for a skin is nothing and it gets them the ability to have something somewhat unique. It also allows CCP some extra profits. Whether you like the system or not has little consequence in the overall scheme of things. It's the way it is.

If you don't want to pay that money, don't. There is no reason for you to be paying it. CCP clearly has a marketing campaign and pricing strategy that is better thought out than your assumptions of "cheap skins" not being applicable to "multiple ship types". Ranting here will not change things.




Of course they are! How many of them have you seen? I have better things than skins to buy with ISK.

As I said above, this is entirely about affordability. If you want your ship to look different, you pay your money and move on. They don't have to lower the cost just because you can't justify spending 8 euros on a skin. That's your financial dilemma, not theirs.

I described a f2p model. A p2w model would be to allow people to buy ships, or mods. Limiting people to systems (in a theoretical sense) does not make it p2w, it just limits your interaction with the game.

In conclusion, you both seem to be affected with the same malaise of not understanding financial ascendance and affordability.

OMW, not another one of these "rage against the establishment ops"
You already answered your own question, so this post is an obvious rant.

1. Free market principle does not mean everything is free. It means that a Business is free to charge whatever they believe their product or service is worth. The Market then determines through volume of sales ( rising, falling, or steady) whether the consumer of that product agrees with the pricing model (Intrinsic Value).
declining Volume = Reduce sales. Rising Sales = ... you get the point.

2. This post is not about CCP greed. It is about your personal view of the Ship Skins intrinsic value. They are a novelty item!! Would I pay the current market value for them? Heck no! Why? Because there are other in game things I place a higher value on. And its not because I think CCP is greedy.

3. If you purchase a cosmetic item in a F2P game... It's not free lol. You killed your own argument with that statement. Please stop being a victim and become an Eve community asset. Have a wonderful day!

I can afford it, but i won't pay 8€ for a texture which i can make myself in Photoshop in 5min. For 8€ i can get a nice indie game or an AAA game during Steam sale!

The lower the price, the higher the chance people will buy it and in the end the seller makes more profit because a lot more people are buying stuff. Thats how microtransactions work.

True, the price for SKINs hardly seems reasonable at first glance: Most ship SKINs require basically no development time or any kind of work for that matter. Look at the Raata Sunset or Wyirkomi Skins for example: They are exactly the same textures and the same models we have on our ships anyway, just with a changed set of colours. And even the ones that have different textures can be made by a single half-decent 3d artist in just a few hours time. SKINs are as low-effort as microtransactions content gets.

Now, does that mean I hate SKINs or think they are overpriced? Quite the contrary. Apparently, people are buying them, despite them giving no advantage in terms of game mechanics, otherwise CCP would not be pushing out more and more. That's money for CCP. Money they probably need, if they want to keep the game going. They are struggling with a generation of players, that mostly rejects subscription models, while having a player base, that mostly rejects "Free to Play", DLC and Microtransactions. They are struggling with decreased subscriber numbers as well, and on top of that, the price for a subscription has not really changed in 12 Years.
Despite all of that, CCP as a company still has to grow. You don't have to like it - I know I don't - but that's how our free enterprise economy works. If a company doesn't grow, it dies.

CCP has been looking into ways to make money besides the subscription fees over the years, and I applaud them for trying to not completely break the game in the process. Most other companies would have given in and put special edition ships and "gold ammo" into the store by this point, if not gone "free to play" (which is a disgusting euphemism, really) alltogether or been bought by Electronic Arts (you can Imagine the game would have died not two years after that).

Now, if SKINs were just a few cents eache, I'd assume everyone would have the ones they want to fly at this point, and the whole thing would be dead already. I'd assume the prices as they are give CCP much more mileage out of the idea, and that's in the end really just good for us as players. If anything, I'd say give us more overly expensive low-effort vanity crap. As long as people are buying it, it helps keep the game alive.

You are obviously unfair.
EVE not F2P? Come on. Really Karl?

How much is PLEX nowadays? 19.99$ = 1kkk.
How much time is needed to farm 1kkk?
How many people simply pay with PLEX?

10 years ago, when there were no PLEX at all eve was P2P.

But today - not.

Non essential luxury items command a luxury price, who'da thunk it.