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Faction Warfare: Moving Forward.....

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#701 - 2011-12-22 15:39:57 UTC
Thanks for sharing that Cearain!! I've been, ummmm preoccupied the last couple of days so I haven't been keeping up with my usual blogmongering and forumwhoring. And my preoccupation has absolutely NOTHING to do with SW:TOR. I swear it!!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#702 - 2011-12-22 15:47:10 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Cearain!! I've been, ummmm preoccupied the last couple of days so I haven't been keeping up with my usual blogmongering and forumwhoring. And my preoccupation has absolutely NOTHING to do with SW:TOR. I swear it!!



Thats fine keep playing other games while Amarr continues to take back our territory and other "property"

It wasn't much info other than really we can expect them to try some smaller tweaks and not something drastic at first. Which I think makes sense. I do happen to think the plexing mechanic can be tweaked into something really great.

I asked seleene to put as much detail as he could in the minutes so hopefully they will have some more meat in the minutes if not in a dev blog.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#703 - 2011-12-22 16:18:31 UTC
You mean like a blog like they promised as a consolation prize for standing up the FW'ers at fanfest .. that kind of blog? Smile

- Just askin' Smile

Can't believe any of you still think they know what the hell is going on in FW land, they got rid of the writers ages ago and most of the involved devs are probably long gone as well.
If they start "fixing" it now they'll break it even more than it is .. from scratch please, only way to be sure!

But it does sound like January will be jam-packed with blogs on all the big ticket items, about bloody time we got some info on what they are planning (not just for FW but for null/worms as well).
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#704 - 2011-12-22 16:27:18 UTC
Cearain wrote:


Thats fine keep playing other games while Amarr continues to take back our territory and other "property"




And by "property" I'm assuming you're referring to my tribal brothers and sisters? You slaver types are simply horrible people.


Back to business though, now that we've confirmed that FW is front and center in CCP's development plans, this should lay to rest the "CCP doesn't care about us rabble rabble rabble" that's been going on far too long and get the conversations going on again with some serious fervor. I'm hoping that this news will spark an influx of substantive feedback that can be used by the next CSM (the current one's influence will be coming to a close soon) to make sure the FW improvements CCP's about to roll out are community approved. It is all of YOU, the players, that have carried the weight of making FW a fun place to fly and fight - moreso than the CSM or the developers themselves. You deserve to have your input weighed the heaviest moving forward.

2012 is going to be a great year for Faction Warfare!!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#705 - 2011-12-22 16:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Draco Rosso
I'll say it before and I'll say it again. CCP should release said smaller tweaks in winter 2012 not the summer. In the summer they do the drastic fine tuning. One more thing: Hans Jagerblitzen, Damassys Kadesh and Hirana Yoshida one of you if not all three should run for the next CSM. We need people like you represent FW at a higher level.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#706 - 2011-12-22 17:31:30 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
One more thing: Hans Jagerblitzen, Damassys Kadesh and Hirana Yoshida one of you if not all three should run for the next CSM. We need people like you represent FW at a higher level.


Agreed ;)

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#707 - 2012-01-04 15:55:12 UTC
Keep an eye out, Faction Warfare peeps!! CCP Guard said we should see our very own Dev Blog coming out ... Soon(TM)

Hope everyone's had a wonderful holiday season full of gaming goodness, we'll get back into the swing of things here once the next set of FW details come out and have plenty to discuss, I'm sure. I've got my eye on the webosphere again, scanning for all things FW-related - and will keep you posted if I hear anything new.

The next couple of weeks should be exciting - we have the Dev Blog as well as the detailed CSM summit notes to look forward too!

Thanks for all of you who have contributed to the cause - we wouldn't have gotten this far without you. FW's best days are ahead...

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#708 - 2012-01-04 16:41:30 UTC
It's about time
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#709 - 2012-01-04 16:45:05 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Keep an eye out, Faction Warfare peeps!! CCP Guard said we should see our very own Dev Blog coming out ... Soon(TM)

Hope everyone's had a wonderful holiday season full of gaming goodness, we'll get back into the swing of things here once the next set of FW details come out and have plenty to discuss, I'm sure. I've got my eye on the webosphere again, scanning for all things FW-related - and will keep you posted if I hear anything new.

The next couple of weeks should be exciting - we have the Dev Blog as well as the detailed CSM summit notes to look forward too!

Thanks for all of you who have contributed to the cause - we wouldn't have gotten this far without you. FW's best days are ahead...



Don't want to burst your bubble but he said that the next dev blog would "shine some light" on the new features, NOT that fw gets its own dev blog.

Hell, he doesn't even say fw will get worked on, he just says it is unlikely that it wont get attention (I am aware of the double negative for you grammar ***** out there).

I has all the eve inactivity

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#710 - 2012-01-04 17:02:14 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Back to business though, now that we've confirmed that FW is front and center in CCP's development plans....

You mean front and and a little off to the side Smile

As for stopping with "The End is Nigh!" spam .. NEVER! They have been promising revisions since FW was first launched so pardon me for taking this round of promises with a wheelbarrow of salt Twisted

Loving the glimmer of hope, just wish they think changes through instead of making pointless mechanics even more pointless as they did with the '3 plex every 30 minutes' which allows a system to drop in a single day. Good change but it should have been '1 (or maybe two) random size plex per 30 minutes' or better yet a player controlled spawn system.

At least someone in Iceland is now presumably thinking about the how/what/where of FW which is more than we have had for three years .. so Yay!Lol
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#711 - 2012-01-04 17:28:42 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:

Don't want to burst your bubble but he said that the next dev blog would "shine some light" on the new features, NOT that fw gets its own dev blog.

Hell, he doesn't even say fw will get worked on, he just says it is unlikely that it wont get attention (I am aware of the double negative for you grammar ***** out there).


FINE FINE, we dont get "our own blog". Roll I'm just thrilled to see a video where we're mentioned at all, after three years of absolute silence, every little thing seems like a big freaking deal. And it is a big deal, for those of us who live and breath lowsec and FW. This time last year none of us would have dreamed we would hear such news. We have the awesome community to thank for keeping the pressure up and the conversation about FW alive.

As for them actually working on FW though, this I have no doubts about. I think the reason for any "maybe" language from CCP at this point is more covering their ass in case whatever they are working on goes horribly wrong for some reason (incarna-style vidcard meltdowns), not a maybe because they're still deciding whether to work on FW. We're well past that phase now. The CSM said its on their agenda, Soundwave's said its on their agenda, and the "fix" we saw with Crucible probably isn't what they tasked a whole team to work on, fixing a simple coding error correction. In my previous posts I predicted we'll likely see FW changes as part of subsequent Crucible releases, if they didn't make the first cut. Looks like Guard is confirming this.

And no, I'm not expecting these changes to be mind-blowing or revolutionary. But progress is progress, I think we should celebrate and appreciate each step CCP takes in the right direction. And of course, I'll still be the first one there to nip at their heels if they start dragging their feet again!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#712 - 2012-01-04 17:40:53 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:

You mean front and and a little off to the side Smile


QFT. But again, remember a year ago when we couldn't even get a Dev to utter the words "Faction Warfare" using a dozen angry threads. I can totally live with "a little off to the side". Faction Warfare ISNT the whole game, even if its where we like to hang out. But it deserves development attention in proportion to everything else, at least. Maybe a little more given the bang-for-CCP's-buck factor. A lot of people will resub if they get FW roaring again.

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As for stopping with "The End is Nigh!" spam .. NEVER! They have been promising revisions since FW was first launched so pardon me for taking this round of promises with a wheelbarrow of salt Twisted


Yup, I absolutely want everyone to sleep with pitchfork ready under the bedside....its community pressure that got us this far, and its community pressure that will work again if they start slacking.

Now that they've started work for real, I'll be damned if I'm going to give up the fight now - we are by no means finished. The work (for us as a community not just the developers) isn't over till we see a vibrant, active Faction Warfare scene and a revitalization of all of lowsec. The pirates, the highsec producers of ships and goods that supply lowsec dwellers, they all need this as much as we do.

I'm just enjoying the "good cop" mode we're in for the time being...but CCP should certainly know we're more than willing to flip the switch to "bad cop" mode if the need arises.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#713 - 2012-01-04 17:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hirana Yoshida
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
...And of course, I'll still be the first one there to nip at their heels if they start dragging their feet again!

Heels are long gone, you might be able to get a nibble at their knees though Lol
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
... The pirates, the highsec producers of ships and goods that supply lowsec dwellers, they all need this as much as we do....

Especially when/if they get around to making null more or less self-sufficient .. who is high-sec going to sell the bulk of their stuff to then?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#714 - 2012-01-04 18:17:22 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:

Especially when/if they get around to making null more or less self-sufficient .. who is high-sec going to sell the bulk of their stuff to then?


For the record, I think this is a common myth - its my understanding that most nullsec alliances already make their own stuff out there. Wormhole Alliances rarely even emerge from their WH bases - they can exist in there as long as they want and make a full range of necessary ships, mods, ammo. Highsec production really just supplies high and lowsec space.

Dont simply take my word for it though, I'm just sharing what the nullsec dwellers I've spoke with have told me.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#715 - 2012-01-04 18:43:41 UTC
I've been in a few major null alliances and in every case a good portion of the market was seeded by corporations specifically contracted to keep the main hubs stocked. Some of the items were manufactured locally but a sizable chunk was imported from high sec.

I'm really looking forward to see what they do with FW.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon

Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#716 - 2012-01-05 14:35:45 UTC
I was just about to ask for updates. Once again thank you Hans for keep us bitter vets updated. I have my 425mm Rail guns ready for either celebratory gun fire or revolution!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#717 - 2012-01-05 15:21:30 UTC
heres some more from a dev blog by CCP Ytterbium:

"Some final words

It is important to remember that all the above is not a "fix" for Factional Warfare. It is only the first step of many to put its implementation back into the original vision that was ours during the Empyrean Age release."

So things are really looking up for faction war.




Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#718 - 2012-01-05 15:38:01 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608120#post608120

Posted to my other thread by CCP Konflict, but deserves reporting here.

Alliances will be able to join FW.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#719 - 2012-01-05 15:45:31 UTC
Cearain wrote:
heres some more from a dev blog by CCP Ytterbium:

"Some final words

It is important to remember that all the above is not a "fix" for Factional Warfare. It is only the first step of many to put its implementation back into the original vision that was ours during the Empyrean Age release."

So things are really looking up for faction war.

Errrm, check the date and content of that blog.

It is 30 months (2.5yrs) old, was the 'filler' patch that populated the LP store not much else and was as far as I know the last "major" work that was done on FW up until now.

In short: It says diddly squat of what may be heading our way .. just sayin' Smile
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#720 - 2012-01-05 15:52:18 UTC
Also there is an 'official test server feedback' thread here for the 'Alliances can join FW' feature.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54054&find=unread