EVE General Discussion

Players threw a hissy fit over it so CCP was all like, "Ok, we will leave this thing, for now."

I thought CCP got the idea with the massive Jita riot. That was just at the mere idea of pay-to-win items. Imagine what would happen if that idea became reality.

Its getting a bit boring explaining this point to the same people in 1001 different threads.

NeX is evil because its about offering content we expected to be provided through traditional sandbox industries (CCP led us to believe that Incarna would have establishments where you sell stuff made by players to other players) but delivered instead exclusively through the lazy microtransaction "push $ button get stuff" model that has absolutely nothing to do with traditional eve gameplay. NeX has rightly been seen as removing sand from the sandbox because the concept denies players the opportunity to play with the industries that Incarna should have enabled.

NeX is evil because it presents an argument that our subscription fees are no longer enough to get access to the whole of eve online. That in order to get access to the whole of the content you need subscription+MT. This subdivides the player base between RL haves and have nots and erects a microtransaction based paywall between available content. It is certainly evil because it helped push Eve into the unsub cycle we saw this autumn as players began to doubt the value of their subscription in the shadow of our new MT overlords.

NeX is evil because it introduced indestructible player possessions into a game that once prided itself on risk/reward and the cold realistic nature of its game world. While Eve is happy to have players losing the value of a family saloon car when their Titan's explode the NeX commissars decided that Monocles would be invulnerable and eternal because thats the only way they could justify the ridiculous price. This made a mockery of the concept from the beginning and was a very sad day for eve.

NeX is evil because its a foot in the door for creeping Microtransactions in Eve. "Vanity" clothing was first. Ship skins will be next. Corp and Alliance logos will follow. Soon any new customization of your avatar or ships or corporate interface could be sold only for Aurum and while clothes can be sold on the market you can bet not everything planned for the future can be.This is definitely the wrong direction for a successful and thriving single server MMO that once prided itself on daring to be different.

NeX is evil because its a crass defilement of existing PF political realities in New Eden. Amarr-owned clothing chains getting exclusive rights to sell clothes in the stations of the people they are at war with (and trying to enslave) yeah right. Its evil because rather than having the new content brought into the game by loyalty point stores with factional agenda and backstory its all plonked down like a badly organized wallmart store with flashing neon $ signs on the outside. Its cheap. It lacks any background credibility, and it actively works to break people's suspension of disbelief.

NeX is evil because it was the brainchild of CCP monocle and CCP thousand dollar jeans who believed that rather than playing games to relax and suspend our disbelief in our leisure time we should instead play games to continue the crass echos of consumer greed culture that haunt our waking lives. In essence they (and the NeX store) posit that if you are a "loser" in real life (ie don't have a good job nice house and expensive clothes) then you should continue to be a "loser" in your virtual life where the lack of $ fed virtual currency will ensure you continue to dress in thrift store space fashions while aristocratic space bankers laugh at you with mink coats and monocles.

So much for playing games to relax and escape your worries for a while in the space opera of New Eden - so much for playing a member of the "capsuleer elite" (who can own planets and access a luxury lifestyle throughout the length and breadth of space. Oh no, these guys want you to be reminded of your RL credit card bills and overdraft everytime you look at some overdressed gimp in a shiny leotard knowing that your capsuleer can't even afford a pair of socks without selling off your fleet of battleships.

It'd be a decent comedy routine if it wasn't so tragic.


(Where is Charlie Brooker when we need him?)

lets see.. you will fly an interceptor.. engage in battle with other ceptor, you get jammed .. scrambled and hot dropped.. how does taht 500k dollars worth of implants worked for you ?

And uber implants for sale is the worst case scenario .. If they sell just ships with those bonuses then .. heh ..

it was an argument ?

I took it as sarcasm ..
thats why i liked it. It made me laugh.

I'm sorry. I missed the time where I was podded and had to buy my clothes again. Oh wait. That didn't happen. Why would they make clothing that is destroyed when you're podded when no other clothing in the game does that?


How else are they going to introduce clothing?


Citation needed. I haven't heard one single case of a player calling another player a "loser" because they weren't wearing items from the Noble Exchange. By the way, i'm sensing some issues that you haven't told your psychologist. It isn't CCP's fault that you're a "loser" outside of EVE.


I thought PLEX could be bought with ingame currency and converted into AUR just the same as a PLEX bought off of CCP or an ETC reseller.

I agree with you to an extent with what you're trying convey but your arguments seem to make no sense.

1/10 for getting me to reply. And it's called an apostrophe. Use it some time.


Worth the 500k if you ask me as i'll have 10,000,000 shield which is 50x the amount of shield, armor and hull and Obelisk has. By the time even a quarter of my shield is gone, i'll have logged onto my combat character doing 400,000 damage in a Destroyer.


As I mentioned before, the last time CCP even mentioned the idea of bringing in pay-to-win, there was a massive riot in the games main trade hub and (I neglected to put it in the post for those who didn't know) CCP lost a large amount of subscribers. What makes you think they'll even think it will happen? If it does, have fun playing with the 4 other people who would still play this game.

Hmmm implants do it. Monocle describes itself as an implant. Yet its invulnerable. As for "other clothing in the game" I'm guessing you mean the default clothing.



Easiest solution chuck it all in the character designer. Slightly more complicated - introduce rarer stuff through the factional loyalty point stores and/or rat drops.

Better solution, combination of the above with player industry to research and manufacture these things perhaps having extremely rare pigments/garments attracting top isk on the player market because they are well, genuinely rare (as opposed to being at the click of every sucker with a CC)



I don't think you've been paying attention to these forums! But that said, sure, I do probably feel a little more sensitive this year than most years on my RL income because I've put all my worldly wealth into a fixer upper new house, but its not about me really. My point is that people play games to relax and suspend their disbelief. Being continually reminded of the bank account balance to purchase virtual clothing in game is just a slap in the face really. Especially when the $ price on the virtual clothing is combined with gameplay detriment and a less value for money in your basic subscription.



Well you aren't really trying to follow them otherwise you'd see why the ISK->PLEX->Aurum is such a problem by denying traditional gameplay in eve online for starters. As for the rest, well, have a deeper think about it is my best advise.

Sanity is relative. But, your point is understood. The fact that you bought items on the isk market demonstrates that people are willing to purchase these items...just not at the prices CCP wants. Just remember, that the items you purchased were available through the free aurum that CCP handed out to "excite" the population. I, myself, even have a pair of boots somewhere that I purchased for mere pennies on the dollar that were available on the isk market after such give aways.



Jade made some good points about why the NeX never should have been allowed in the game. It is creepage that the playerbase is fearful of. However, I would say that IF CCP had developed the NeX with their playerbase at the forefront of its development rather than their lustful greed that such an MT market would have worked, would have been popular and would have marginalized the nay sayers.

What the NeX should have been is an inclusive feature rather than an exclusive feature that delineated it as such via its price structure which ultimately only made sense to participate in on a regular basis for the top 1% of the playerbase. The rest of the populace could only look at the NeX for the rare item that made sense to their financial sensibilities.

Had the NeX been structured like the game where even though there are a few really expensive ships that most people dream of owning one day, there are still plenty of ships to choose from with which to have fun and play the game. No, the NeX pricing structure should have indeed emphasized "micro" in the transactions. Clothing should have been part of it but not the totality of it. There are many more vanity items that could have been offered that still have much greater demand than say an eye implant that you can't see without full zoom on the character's avatar or worse importing it into a graphics program with which to zoom even further to get any detail from the implant.

With the right pricing and offerings the NeX would have 'become' a feature of the game like any other. It would have woven itself into the fabric of the game rather than remain the thorn that it is and will continue to be with such poor offerings at such ridiculous pricing.

NEX. It's also brutally over priced.

yesterday I bought myself a reallife shirt. It was remarkably cheaper than two or more NEX apparels.

I didn't miss the point whereas I can buy PLEX with ISK to convert to AUR, it's still a waste of ISK.