EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

It's only perceived within the rules if you 'fight'. Sitting stationary is illegal.

Under current rules you can share tactics, ships and setups with each other so you could just arrange beforehand that A-team flies a comp that beats what the B-team is flying easily - A's Rock to B's Scissors. This allows you to predetermine who will win without having broken any of CCPs rules.

I think this demonstrates how absurd the situation really is.

Considering the numerous ways Hydramel could have done what they've done legitimately, but didn't, I can only conclude that the team captains just wanted to cheat. That's unless DHB made it all up. In which case they didn't cheat but yeah....comedic set of rules.

At this point we have to assume that u colluded with both teams aswell since your setups lost.

I think CCP should investigate if there wasnt any foul play involved in the PL losses, losing againts both teams is pretty fishy since PL cant possibly be worse than Hydras.

Because you need to gain something from it, not demonstrate stupidity like you're doing.

I've had to deal with some pretty weak arguments in my time, but come on man, did you fall out of a 3rd storey window and feel the urgent need to start poasting?

I dont really see how any of the teams ~gains~ something from dropping to losers bracket and having to fight an additional series +disedvantage in finals.

apparently you didnt see the "so-called" logs.
the tldr logs of kadesh said this:

"In our semifinal vs Camel, we would fight the first match legitimately and whoever lost would give up his second match as well, so we would have more time to prepare for the BO1 vs the Tuskers. this way we will have 40-60 min compared to the 20 that either of the team would have."

if you see the second match the reaction times are stupidly slower as shown by blast X in another thread.

Also CCP's schedule was fixed, if the BO3 finish in 2 matches, the time would still be kept and they would just go to jita cam or whatever.

The funny part is that they could simply drop the second match for various reasons (not show more setups etc) which i think is also in the rule, the illegal part was that the teams reached an agreement for either to concede their second match.

The best teams get into the winner's bracket. They betted on getting one team through in the winner's bracket with skill, they better on getting one through in the losers bracket with effort.

They also did it because they wanted to ensure they didnt have to do any fishy buisness until the finals when they would face each other and the matches were irrelevant. The sooner one team goes down to the loser's bracket, the less chance they have of facing bigger teams until later on. This means they dont have to show any more setups than they have to against the smaller teams.

This isnt some kind of conspiracy theory, they did almost the exact same thing last year. And guess what, when they got banned for colluding with outbreak, they did the exact same thing too.

Except there is no pattern there, actually. Outbreak dropped to losers bracket after their third match in AT IX, last year HYDRA dropped to losers after their fourth match, this year they dropped to losers after their fifth match. If at all they try to remain as long as possible in winners and not drop to losers.

I'm surprised that you don't already know that I'm a long standing HYDRA member, as well as an ex-member of your own corp in PL. But we can put that surprise down to my ego and narcissism and move on.

I'm not trying to justify ruining the tournament. I'm debating whether the tournament has been ruined and if so, who by.

I've been the bad guy for a long time. Just the same as you have. I don't find it feels like anything much, since it's chiefly in the perception of others. Being the object of such vehement hatred over space pixels and forum wars has always caused me to smile. So maybe that answers your question?

With that out of the way, maybe we can get back to the real subject?

You and I appear to disagree as to whether there is evidence of an offense being committed under the current AT ruleset. You appear to think that Warlords and Camel have effectively poured petrol over themselves and run into a burning building. I think it's much more likely that they've just trolled the **** out of you, your alliance, CCP and a fair section of the playerbase.

Neither of us really knows at this point. Maybe we'll find out when CCP complete their investigation and publish their findings.

You and I appear to agree that the current AT ruleset is poor and invites this kind of troublesome metagaming and controversy that probably isn't healthy for the future of the burgeoning e-sport that (I assume) both of us love.

We also appear to agree that regardless of the results of CCP's investigation those rules need to be improved.

Have I got all that right?

If you want to value everyone by the number of AT ships they currently hold, maybe.

I don't personally subscribe to that method of valuation.