Warfare & Tactics

Earn LP? m8 stabbed farmers are the least of our problems if we want to earn LP. stabbed farmers can't chase us out of any plexes. What we want are fights first and foremost. That and all the LP I have right now is purely from shooting war targets.

I am sympathetic but I if you ban t3d from smalls it will just be afs - it used to be the hawk. The T3ds do cost more so they should be better. Also although I think they are clearly more powerfull than destroyers and AFs I think they are clearly outclassed by the pirate cruisers and HACs.

Clearly garmurs and worms are overpowered compared to the other pirate ships. But I would just as soon they buffed the succubus and cruror so they would somehow justify their price tag.

But honestly all of the tweaks we do won't matter if one pilot has an offgrid booster and the other doesn't. That just completely breaks all balance in ships.

Aye, after thinking about it a bit I tend to agree. Speed fit kiters with OGB and Snakes are too game-breaking. The implants are more expensive and at greater risk; nearly unusable in null due to bubbles and plenty risky in low due to smartbombers and instalocks. They also don't necessitate paying a second account.

The fundamental question is whether or not you believe that a second account should be a requirement to compete in PvP. The answer seems obvious to me, but this is a topic that is hotly debated. Obviously many people have already bowed to the inevitable and invested in OGB alts, and those people do not relish the thought of losing that advantage.

"Speed creep" is the term I believe. The OGB supported solo/small gang nano-kiting bittervet is the top of the food chain in small scale conflict.

Here is a link to the link to the minutes on faction war and pve.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6077738#post6077738


Some of the fw highlights:

NPC faction war patrols

Webs in FW missions to dissuade stealth bombers

4 way war

A suspect timer of sorts in plexes

Have your corp or alliance affiliate with a faction that way individual members can join the faction war without the whole corp joining.

No t3s in smalls

I probably forgot something.







Nah, I just lost allot of interest in playing EVE, to the extent it has such broken mechanics.

1. Be newbie
2. Be poor and ****
3. Neutrals keep crashing your plex and everyone tells you shoot first or you die
4. Keep it up until -5
5. Decide to quit FW
6. Cannot into empire anymore because pirate
7. Have to buy tags/rat in lowsec to even get back to empire space

Low-sec? No. The war zone? Definitely. Who else should it be about?

Links are cancer. Everyone who has a shred of intellectual honesty recognizes this.

They don't bother me much anymore because my corp has lots of OGB alts and I'm familiar with the most egregious OGB abusers in the war zone. It's still really obvious to me and most others that they are broken. Many better known and more skilled/experienced pvp'ers are also making this argument. It's going to happen. My tear bucket is ready.

If you want to learn specifically why links are trash gameplay, you can peruse my post history. You can read Suitonia's article on the topic. You can check Chessur's reddit posting history. Or you can read any of the OGB threads where Crosi circles the wagons around his beloved linked garmur in a futile attempt to ward off the hordes of angry Indians who will continue to press this issue until OGB are "nuked from orbit."

Links have a chilling effect on fight frequency.

Faction warfare complexes in faction warfare space are indeed about faction warfare participants, methinks.

If you want to use those complexes to generate content by attacking FW players, you are a pirate and your standings should reflect that rather than you being able to exploit the brawl/kite dynamic of plex warfare to force FW players to aggress first and take the standing hit while you preserve your standing and get content.

It's silly that we are the ones who have to take the hit fighting in our own complexes.

There's lots of things in lowsec systems besides complexes. If you want to use those specifically to generate content without subjecting yourself to the other risks of FW, there should be a trade-off.

Neutrals get gate gun protection in lowsec, which can be a huge advantage. There are others.

Crosi

As always you only talk about the fights with gangs of new players you engage who probably know very little about pvp at all. You fail to mention all the ganks from your way overpowered ogb.

In any case, *all* of those pilots likely left with an increased feeling that "solo" or micro gang pvp in eve is best left to tryhards who want to pay for an alt account and drag it around everywhere. That growing feeling is indeed a cancer to eve. Sadly that feeling has plenty of justification.

It is pretty clear to me that allot more people would be fighting in low sec plexes if it weren't for all the broken ogbs. You might think your presence makes up for that, but we will just have to disagree.



When you say you are outnumbered are you including your strategic cruiser? I noticed in your last post you refered to your "one very expensive pirate faction frig." But of course that is not all they were fighting. The killboards only show that one pirate faction frigate but there was also a strategic cruiser likely worth more than their entire gang on your side.

When you say it would be "much closer to suicidal" for you to jump in without boosts, you mean it would be much more likely you would die right? Or do you mean you would self destruct if you did not have boosts?

And you know that allot of people stopped jumping into plexes due to boosts. In the past there used to be some chance that you could sling shot a kitey ship so I used to jump in and give it a try, even when I was ab fit. Sometimes I would die sometimes the kiter would die sometimes one of us would warp off. But it always involved a struggle with both pilots applying effort and skill. Now if you jump in on a kitey ship with boosts you have no chance of slingshotting them and you might as well just self destruct to save some time.

I do not blame you for playing the game the way ccp set it up. But it is crazy to think everyone running around in low sec with ogb is actually making more people want to log on and pvp in plexes.