Science & Industry

2 dreads is effectively 10-20 battleships...

Sure, it's possible to snag a 20-man BS crew on the way out ... but it took them seven minutes to get there. The BS crew would have RF'd the PCO, and likely safed up in a nearby hi-sec system by the time the defenders showed up. The only difference is that with the dreads, you have ~3 billion in ships/fittings, as well as a GIANT ******* BEACON telling people you're incoming.


If there are two or more gates in the lowsec system, and they weren't being continuously watched, someone could *easily* slip a 10-20 BS crew into the system and RF the PCO (whilst having a cap or two on standby).

I 100% agree on your commitment comment. I don't know what the best solution is either, but CCP should look for one.

A few random ideas with very little thought put into them:

1. Capitals cannot aggress a POCO in lowsec
2. POCOs have 10 infinite point disruptors with infinite grid range range that will tackle anything that aggresses it. You need to either burn off grid or reinforce the POCO to get free. POCOs still has no weapons, but you're stuck there for a little bit vulnerable while you are attacking.
3. Something else :)

I actually made a calculation today and I see that Interbus with 17% taxes takes 37% of profit away from me (considering the fact that I have to export and import between different planets to get things done). Time to get these interbus COs destroyed.

1. Ya the POCO's themselves. They are way to expensive to put up, and way to easy for someone to take down. In the system that several of us were using some random corps/alliances came in and blew up the POCO's in a low-sec area. We thought eh they will just put some up and we will pay the tax to them, fair enough. Nope. They blew them up and left, now there is nothing. Someone tried putting some up in the system, they were promptly blown up, and still nothing in the system. The corps/alliances have no interest in putting in POCO's (they have stated this), they just want to blow stuff up, target practice for their dreads I think. They simply want to keep the POCO's off line. The alliance doing it is huge, and there is no one around who is going to stop them from doing it. So nearly every system in this area has no POCO's or CO's period.

2. No at least not in our area. Due to the alliance blowing up all the POCO's most of the people have moved out and we no longer have anyone to hunt as they try to move haulers in and out with escorts. Really sad and hurt the areas low-sec PvP fun.

3. Absolutely not, you have in fact done the opposite and killed off any hope of a small or mid size corp of having anything at least where we are. All the small guys left, gone poof on to greener pastures ....... west I heard.

4. PI was relevant the moment you took those goods out of the NPC market and made it up to the player base to make and provide them, POCO's had nothing to do with it.

5. See answer number one. POCO's have hurt our fueling operations for out POS's and killed off any small or mid size corps that we used to PvP against. Now it's either fight the blob alliances (which we won't) or go 35 jumps to find a fight (boring).

I have a hard time believing pretty much anything Toku Jiang said, as it's wildly divergent from other lowsec reports and his character / corp have absolutely no public killboard history. Obvious alt posting in self-interest or troll is obvious.

edit -- he also previously said this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=286944#post286944
"I don't run missions or rat any more, I only do PI for money and I do it all in high sec 0.5 systems. Essentially I have little risk of pirates, and I can do it all in one or two systems. I use 4 characters 4 with level 4 skills 1 with level 5 and crank out PI materials in large doses. My monthly income is a little over 1 billion per month, it takes about 2 hours every few days to reset the PI setups and haul the materials to a central location."

In other words, he's a highsec extractor who is all angry that he's getting hit by taxes, and is just making stuff up about lowsec since he's unhappy about highsec extraction in the patch.

There needs to be a way to setup courier contracts to haul goods to/from the POCO/CO to a station. Which would let you farm out your pickups to other people. Which would also allow it to be more of a corporate thing rather then a loose collection of members who happen to make use of low/null POCOs.

POCOs still need a minor fuel requirement (30 days of fuel capacity and about 3M ISK/mo).

Planets still need to have their refill rates adjusted upwards, to support larger numbers of harvest colonies packed onto a single planet without completely trashing the resources harvested for everyone. POCOs encourage people to congregate onto fewer planets then before.

Command Center PG/CPU needs to be boosted so that we can get more out of existing planets, especially if we train up to CCU IV/V skill levels.

Storage facilities on the planet's surface are still inferior to Launchpads, except in the rare case where you are CPU-constrained (harvest planets are always PG-constrained). They need to be bumped to hold 30k m3 and cost about 1/3 the current PG/CPU to make them worth using.

Command center launches need to be boosted to 300-500 m3 per level of the CCU skill, topping out at around 2000-3000 m3 per launch with a top-level Command Center.



Not without more items requiring PI goods for production or for use as fuel. There are still NPC sold goods out there (such as Electronic Parts). And there are still a lot of PI goods which don't have much use in other components.

Yes

Yes

Yes (But not Who and probably best an hour or two after the fact)

Can't support this. The "fire and forget unless shot at" aspect of POCOs is important to let smaller/less organized corps deploy them. Also, you would end with a repeat of the offline towers that must be shot down scenario.


Agreed.


IIRC, some devs have already mentioned they wanted to "bite the bullet" with technetium and re-do the reaction/T2 production chain to rebalance moon mins. This would be a good chance to integrate more P2-P3 items into the chain. Right now most of them are just intermediate products, so their market is very volatile, much like the simple reaction market.

Thanks for your feedback! Keep it coming.

We are organizing a list of potential actions =)

Regards
Omen