Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do you really want the Ferox to project 450DPS at 160km with spike? because that is probably what it can do if you give a double damage bonus + a triple range one.

It trades the extreme damage of the Brutix for extreme range - I think that is pretty balanced.


I think the Cyclone needs more though you struggle to get 600dps out of it in a full gank setup, and struggle even more to actually apply the paper DPS it does have.

I would consider giving it a very weak bonus to light missiles. possibly 5% to damage . I would not give this to the Drake though, it has an extra launcher so could become oppressive as a frigate killer because of the volley + resists under fleet Logi.

Ferox having a 10% bonus to damage plus 75% bonus to range would also almost completely outperform the vulture, which costs 2-3 times more.

No to RLML on BCs. BCs are meant to kill cruisers and field a large tank. We dont need 600 burst dps ships with MJD and 100k EHP tank. Rlml are for anti-frig, and BCs are anti-cruiser. Id like to see different missile systems other than RLML being used. HAMs are still viable, you just have to focus on application, and not max tank.

If BCs can field RLML effectively, then they can do what cruisers/dessies do, in an all in one package. Obsoleting cruisers again. Each class needs to counterplay the other classes in some way. We dont need a one size fits all. I mean, look at the orthrus, i have never seen one without RLML. It can kill cruisers, frigs, BCs and probably BS given enough time.

For the three non-kinetic damage types, the drake does ~5% less dps than a caracal. The raw dps increase when using kinetic is (partially) countered by the resist profiles of most of the common fits you'll see in nullsec, so the drake usually only does ~5-10% more effective dps using kinetic than a caracal selecting the correct ammo type.

It would be less of an issue if the bonus was universal across all missile based caldari ships, but right now it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Edit: Need food, but if you really care I can dig out the numbers later.

some nice buffs too certain ships especially harbinger, but some big overbuffs too the navy bc's i mean a drake that has more tank than a raven, smaller sig aswell, with only 25% less range on HAM's than torps, really?? .. when are HAM's getting that range nerf? and better mobility than a navy brutix WTF???? .. its either a brawler or a kiter.. pick one

Ferox changes are interesting, more of a shield brutix now .. ish, would expect it too be quicker than the drake though, tiny mass difference isnt good either, i would also expect a lower sig as it's basically an attack bc now, now you removed resist for damage, you could have simpler swapped the 50% range for the damage, does it even need 75% range bonus, which also begs the question why not just move the current ABC's too T2 and make the 4 more speedy bc's proper attack bc's.. this would open up a greater range of stats, being speed lower sig better agility etc.. more variety of sig radius is needed at least here.

surely that drone bandwidth/bay is a typo fozzie??
alongside the excessive crazy hp and mobility buff..

Ham's don't need a nerf. Last I checked they were only viable on 2-3 ships.

HAM's a medium weapon has the same range as torps a large weapon... need i go on??

Or more of a reason depending on how you look at it, if battlecruisers see more use it seems like battleships would be the natural counter.