Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can we take a look at giving the Cyclone a bit more CPU? It's pretty tight, even on a double-nano brawling setup, but if you want to fit Heavy Missiles and try for long range, you need a Co-Processor or rig, and Meta/Faction a lot of modules. You could probably take a little PG away from the Cyclone to balance it, as it always seems to have some left, although being able to use both utility high slots would be nice. Some example builds:

http://i.imgur.com/q3gYFxd.png

Could we make the ROF bonus on the Cyclone apply to Rapid Lights? because if you leave it like it is it will be the rifter of BCs

Notice the cyclone waaaaaaaay down on the bottom of both stats in the OP. And also observe the drakes prominence at the top of both lists. Usage stats definitely don't tell the whole story, but it surely can't be ignored that something is causing a gap between the two.

Probably a toss-up between tank and gank.

Exactly, it's an oversized shield booster, so compromises on the fitting are going to be inevitable.

I've always thought the Cyclone is a powerful ship in terms of its shield bonus, but the hull concept is all over the place. The main drawback is that fact that the weapon system and shield bonus don't go well with the slot layout. The damage application isn't great due to the fact it needs it's mid slots for shield mods instead of webs, target painters, or the new missile trackers.

In essence it is a shield tanked ship with 5 low slots when it only really needs 3 or a maximum of 4, and it is in bad need of more mid slots in order to apply damage as well as fit a decent shield tank. It doesn't help that it gets no bonus to Rapid Lights meaning it really has no way of reliably applying its damage to anything below a battlecruiser.

I'd say the solution is either remove a low for a mid. Allow bonused Rapid Lights. Or improve those low slot missile guidance modules so they are actually worth fitting.

I really don't want to see Rapid Light Missile bonuses on Battlecruiser hulls. They are already a bit too oppressive in a lot of cases for Cruisers. Making point-defense Battlecruisers with Rapid Light specific bonuses would just be stupidly OP.

You CAN fit them, and they'll apply damage well, but you won't get a damage bonus on them. That's why they work well on hulls with unbonused launcher hardpoints, like the Prophecy or Hurricane.

So in other words, the Drake does crap damage.

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Yeah. Always has. Decent alpha firing HMLs, though.

If it was a straight across the board buff, can you think of a single time you'd ever load Scourge? I mean, you almost made an argument there for increasing the kinetic-only bonus.



If there's no reason to ever load Scourge because of more-or-less universal resist profile characteristics, hasn't a choice been effectively removed? I still haven't seen how the Drake's bonus is anything other than "crap DPS or maybe somewhat less crap if you fire kinetic."

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About the T1 Harbinger skill level bonus:

"10% bonus Medium Energy Turret capacitor use"

This is essentially not a bonus but merely compensating for the terribly balanced cap consumption of lasers and their ammunition types.

All other hulls are getting a bonus on their tank, damage or application instead.

Weapon range, agility and speed - just what they needed! My only quibble is the harb's 10% capacitor use 'bonus' which should probably be removed from all amarr ships, and then just balance the weapon's cap usage.

This places BC's very nicely as heavier, long ranged mid-sized weapon platforms to give them something over cruisers. Hoping to see battleships move further above BC's in terms of endurance (100% hitpoint boost for most of them!) which will plant them between subcaps and capitals :)

Oh, and should the scan resolution be made a little better too? Not quite cruiser level but something closer to it perhaps.

But they are not, they are up there in their training time, but it is iirc less than before.