Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Great OK, let's only give the Myrmidon bonuses to Gallente drones. That'll make it more interesting! And let's only give the Hurricane turret bonuses while using Fusion Ammo!

In fairness I should say that I like the general thrust of the BC changes, improving range application as a counterbalance to the far faster cruisers we have nowadays is exactly the right approach IMO. Doubtless the stats we're seeing today will need a little tweaking when things shake out, but that's the nature of class-wide balance passes.

But jesus christ, let the poor stupid damb kinetic lock go



let it walk towards the light



let it rest now let it have peace

I still think the cyclone needs to revert to a projectile based weapon system instead of the crappy missile one since there is something like the drake that exists.

Just to play devil's advocate: if kinetic is the worst damage type, then if the Drake had a flat bonus then nobody would ever load Scourge, right? Why would you opt to fire into a resist wall?

So what the Kinetic "lock" actually does is counter the fact that so many ships have high kinetic resists, making Scourge a viable and even desirable option as ammunition.

Gallente drones already do the most damage tho...

Drones have a very noticeable change in damage from gallente to minmatar, while this isnt hull specific since it affects all drone boats, it's still there.

Same with projectiles. You have a huge split between its primary and secondary damage types (with no primary kinetic) and a couple of them even have opposing secondary damages like EMP that does about 25% of its secondary/tertiary (explosive/kinetic) on the opposite end of the spectrum.

Missiles are the only weapon system that has full and untethered selectability. On that note, you'll notice that each faction of missile boats has its own bonuses that favor one loadout over another.

Looking at the different damage types available in a given weapon system leaves a lot on the table.

The biggest issue with the bonuses really, is the heavy-handed bonuses like on the drake and condor. It makes it a much harder choice to use non-kinetic since you lose the 50% bonus, which is huge. Also the inconsistency of the bonuses, but thats more annoying than problematic.

And with that in mind, most caldari ships (I might gamble to say all) that have a kinetic bonus, also have more launchers than their class counterparts. If not extra bonuses too.

damage specific bonuses are not bad, but heavy bonuses can be a pain.

"The Drake does normal damage for it's class when firing Kinetic missiles, and 2/3 as much when firing anything else. Can't you see why this is actually a good thing for the Drake???"

Fixed.

Make the missile speed bonus an application one please.

Every Ship class? Since i'm bored as hell and fly Caldari a decent amount of times without having to worry about Kinetic missiles.. I decided to Look into all the Caldari ships to Verify that Every Class is unable to select Damage for its main weapon system.

Caldari ships NOT damage Locked - T1 Missile Bonused Hulls

Kestrel -Frigate Class: No damage lock
Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Light Missile and Rocket damage
10% bonus to Light Missile and Rocket max velocity

Caracal- Cruiser class : An Often used PVP ship across all regions - No Damage Lock
Caldari Cruiser bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Rapid Light Missile, Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher rate of fire
10% bonus to Light Missile, Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile max velocity

Raven - Battleship Class: This ship seeing ALOT of PVP usage lately - No Damage Lock
Caldari Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Rapid Heavy Missile, Cruise Missile and Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo max velocity

Phoenix - Dreadnought Class - No Damage Lock
Caldari Dreadnought bonuses (per skill level):
4% bonus to all shield resistances
5% bonus to Citadel Cruise and Citadel Torpedo Launcher rate of fire
Role Bonus:
• Can fit Siege modules

Caldari Ships that Are Kinetic Locked - T1 Hulls
Condor - Frigate Class
Corax - Destroyer Class
Drake - Battlecruiser

4 Missile boats NOT locked on damage type Kestrel, Caracal, Raven, Phoenix
3 Missile boats Locked Condor, Corax, Drake

Tech 2 Hulls.

T2 Missile Bonused Hulls Not Locked
Crow - Interceptor
Jackdaw - Tactical Destroyer
Widow - Black Ops
Golem - Marauder

T2 Missile Bonus Hulls Kinetic Locked
Hawk - Assault Frigate
Manticore - Bomber
Flycatcher - Interdictor
Cerberus - HAC
Onyx - Heavy Interdictor
Nighthawk - Command ship

T2 hulls have 6 locked 4 not locked

Navy Issues (since why not finish off the types...)

Caldari Navy Hookbill - 20% bonus to Kinetic Light missile and rocket Damage + 10% bonus to EM, Explosive, thermal for light missiles and rockets. Since the larger Bonus is towards Kinetic.. I'll throw this as Locked for ya to save debating
Caracal Navy Issues - Not Locked
Drake Navy Issue - Not Locked
Raven Navy Issue - Not Locked

Navy Hulls have 3 Not Locked to 1 locked.

Tech 3
Tengu Offensive subsystems have 2 Not Locked and 1 Locked.

All classes are NOT damage Locked. Plenty of ships to choose from across the spectrum.

You may continue your argument about how they are all forced to use one damage type now.