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Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve Online free to play?

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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2015-09-10 02:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kinete Jenius
Verstal wrote:
Can you run that many trial accounts at the same time? Have you tried it lately? I have a trial alt right now that I need to log off to login paid characters accounts. Your examples are for exploit not a new user.

I can personally run several trial accounts at the same time if I wanted to. I don't because I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't like that.


Having said that if you put such a restriction in the game to go free to play I would quit immediately and the other holdout boxers who managed to survive the repeater ban would quit too. Along with a lot of other people who only have two accounts.


This character has been dedicated to assisting newbros.
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#262 - 2015-09-10 02:33:19 UTC
Kinete Jenius wrote:
Verstal wrote:
Can you run that many trial accounts at the same time? Have you tried it lately? I have a trial alt right now that I need to log off to login paid characters accounts. Your examples are for exploit not a new user.

I can personally run several trial accounts at the same time if I wanted to. I don't because I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't like that.


Having said that if you put such a restriction in the game to go free to play I would quit immediately and the other holdout boxers who managed to survive the repeater ban would quit too. Along with a lot of other people who only have two accounts.


This character has been dedicated to assisting newbros.


Running multiple trial accounts is an exploit, bye.
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#263 - 2015-09-10 02:39:39 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Verstal wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Verstal wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Your list is more complete than I thought it would be, you included some that many leave out due to personal bias.


I have a lot of respect for people that put effort into a game even if they get a benefit in that product. I come from the FPS world where the MOD community shaped and even created games that are the most popular in the world right now.




Problem i see here.....EvE is not an FPS, so your ideas are half ass backwards.

just 1 more comment here....if EvE became FtP, especially in the sense your making about new characters without thinking of the abuse that would occur....i think i also would leave the game, and take all my cousins and immediate family that play this game with me....and believe me together we might be considered a drop in the bucket, but our accounts tallied together and the yearly subs we do pay is a substantial amount in revenue that would be missed if I was not the only one that suddenly dropped and went some where else.

As one person said already...if your a troll, quit already you won....
If you honestly believe what your saying....well I think you need to quit EvE itself before you do any harm to it.


Abuse? Lets run through this, how many accounts do you think are created with rule set being used now for character creation? For this example let's use 1000 per day, out of 1000 new players only 10 survive the first month, 5 the second month, 1 the third month and .1 for 6 months. Scale this up by a factor of 10 or 100 none of these numbers are good these days.

Edit: oh yeah it takes minutes to create email accounts enough to do this also....did I mention my family plays this game as well?

If are you happy with this outcome and think this is a good overall for CCP and Eve we have a very different way of looking at this subject.


OK, lets do this then...and i would show how a 100 man multibox fleet could quickly wreck new players in a single day...becasue those characters would be considered new players....and before you mention IP bans and what all...i have literally 78 places to go for different IP's all within 3 hrs of me....not too mention public places. 1 day, and i would not be the only doing it in ibis, velator, reapers or what not to prove a point before walking out the door.....this is the chaos you are proposing...a week of that plus the occasional FOM or FOW group continuing to do it and EvE wold die really quickly.....that is what your are proposing....because that is the nature of EvE players.


So all I see here is that you want to cheat at Eve with trial accounts, and that you have resources and back up plans already thought out to execute or continue to exploit Eve? If it was me, and I was CCP I would test your back up plans out and start banning your accounts but that is me. I don't think your are good customer for CCP or care about new players.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#264 - 2015-09-10 02:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Verstal wrote:


Running multiple trial accounts is an exploit, bye.

Oh yes of course! because hoards of f2p players would never ever ever never ever do thaaat Roll
Not breaking rules only matters to paying customers that are invested. And like I mentioned about tying up support/GM's indefinitely (like other f2p games), this is just another ten ton elephant to toss into the balance.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#265 - 2015-09-10 02:44:57 UTC
Prados wrote:
Verstal wrote:

Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve?


Since the beta



...and you only have three likes. How sad Cry

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#266 - 2015-09-10 04:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Verstal wrote:

Can you run that many trial accounts at the same time? Have you tried it lately? I have a trial alt right now that I need to log off to login paid characters accounts. Your examples are for exploit not a new user.


How long have you played EVE exactly? Give me a specific number of days/weeks. I know it isn't longer than a week or two if you honestly think your troll of an idea wouldn't be mercilessly exploited. You are just another in a long string of forgotten newbies who think that turning EVE into WoW in spaceships is a good idea.

And you are one who is clueless as to what makes a company successful as well. Perfect. The programmer who fancies himself an artist who has no idea what makes a company money. I hope someone like you never works for me! If you disagree with this, feel free to tell me what game you have designed that has been regarded as one of the top MMOs for well over a decade.

I asked you this earlier and you point blank ignored my question.

How much time have you spent trying to understanding the typical player of EVE?

Please actually answer that question if you care to.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#267 - 2015-09-10 05:29:58 UTC
Verstal wrote:


So all I see here is that you want to cheat at Eve with trial accounts, and that you have resources and back up plans already thought out to execute or continue to exploit Eve? If it was me, and I was CCP I would test your back up plans out and start banning your accounts but that is me. I don't think your are good customer for CCP or care about new players.


Your idea of FtP would almost have to allow that kind of freedom, an with it wold come a flood of abuse.
I am not the one wanting exploits or whatever....but you are trying to create such an exploit.

I love my sandbox game, and think your idea is garbage...EvE is unique and it is definitely NOT for everyone.

And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them.
Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#268 - 2015-09-10 05:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
Max Deveron wrote:
And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them.
Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0.

Well after doing a little research on this poster (Verstal), I don't think they have ever really put much time into EVE, if any at all. Made an account in 07, just returned a week ago. In an NPC corp for years untouched. No standings. Even is linking this thread in bio. Either a total troll (post with your main?), or has been playing something like WoW or LOL all these years and is now here to save us from certain destruction (along with 3mil ragequitters from WoW over flying mounts). I call BS.

Really, OP, you should spend some time playing EVE before making sweeping judgements and wanting EVE to entirely change for you. If your friends from the other game are not interested, maybe it's just that you don't really know how to answer them yet nor know how to guide them into actually experiencing the game as it should be experienced; as you have not really done so yourself. Your game changing ideas are just bad, flat out bad, and maybe you would realize that if you spent time in the game, yourself.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
#269 - 2015-09-10 06:18:25 UTC
Verstal wrote:
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Verstal wrote:
Lex Gabinia wrote:
Verstal wrote:
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Large community good.


Why? Is quantity better than quality?

At it's peak PCU has EvE ever been seen as a truly large game by most standards?


Lex do you have any ideas that could help a new player out?

Have you watched Rookie chat the last few hours?

Humans in trouble => help please.

Gamers are gamers man, we all love games. Help 20 noobs!


Once again, when asked a direct question you pivot to another matter altogether.

There are multiple resources available to new players of which they can choose to avail themselves. A simple internet search leads to a plethora of options.

EVE was not designed to be a simple tower defense game. It is a game which requires thought, choices, strategy and a bit of learning. This games offers so many varied paths that it is unreasonable to expect to master them all in thirty to sixty days. To a certain type of gamer this is appealing because there is always more to learn and try. That is the gamer for which and by which EvE was created. Yes, EvE takes a modicum of effort to learn initially, but offers great rewards through the varied gameplay available long term.



Have you helped 20 players in Eve yet? Players that are trying to learn the game you play right now. People "players" trying to learn the game as it is right now?

Let me know when you have I will continue responding to your posts, for now your are muted.


Your maturity level and lack of ability to respond to facts placed before you is quite impressive. Why don't you step outside of Jita 4-4 and play the game?

I help people by interacting with them in the game and by encouraging them to LEARN FOR THEMSELVES as well. If you learn something for yourself it is retained far longer than if someone just tells you or guides you by the hand.
Prados
The Old Comrades Association
#270 - 2015-09-10 06:22:28 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Prados wrote:
Verstal wrote:

Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve?


Since the beta



...and you only have three likes. How sad Cry


Well, only two posts (now three) - I am a lurker...
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2015-09-10 06:35:59 UTC
lilol' me wrote:

*off

Guys honestly don't even give Tippia a response or ammo, is sole purpose on these forums is to **** people off. The more you respond the more you just play into his hands.

*waiting for witty Tippia retort.....

Very astute observation and good advice.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#272 - 2015-09-10 06:41:01 UTC
Prados wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Prados wrote:
Verstal wrote:

Maybe you missed the question, how long have you been playing Eve?


Since the beta



...and you only have three likes. How sad Cry


Well, only two posts (now three) - I am a lurker...


Yeah, some people are just plain lazy or don't have the ability to do a little bit of research.

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DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#273 - 2015-09-10 07:09:54 UTC
*grabs some popcorn*
*predicts an eventual lock coming in the near future*
*maybe some miners ganked too*

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2015-09-10 07:59:17 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them.
Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0.

Well after doing a little research on this poster (Verstal), I don't think they have ever really put much time into EVE, if any at all. Made an account in 07, just returned a week ago. In an NPC corp for years untouched. No standings. Even is linking this thread in bio. Either a total troll (post with your main?), or has been playing something like WoW or LOL all these years and is now here to save us from certain destruction (along with 3mil ragequitters from WoW over flying mounts). I call BS.

Really, OP, you should spend some time playing EVE before making sweeping judgements and wanting EVE to entirely change for you. If your friends from the other game are not interested, maybe it's just that you don't really know how to answer them yet nor know how to guide them into actually experiencing the game as it should be experienced; as you have not really done so yourself. Your game changing ideas are just bad, flat out bad, and maybe you would realize that if you spent time in the game, yourself.


But .... but .... but he is a super awesome "Programmer - Artist - Designer - Producer" that has trained other game designers for 15+ years. He told us multiple times how mutch experiance he has and how awesome he is. LISTEN TO HIM! Just look at how skillfull he dodged the questions that poke holes in his ideas and how awesome he mutes people that use solid arguments, causality and logic to deconstruct his visions that will save us all.

Lex Gabinia wrote:

Source? Or are you just making numbers up.... again?


Dont bother asking concrete questions. He will ether mute you or come up with a other spontanious and totaly awesome idea that will save EvE once and for all ... by killing it.

This thead should be locked. OP constantly changes topic, randomly mutes people that "do not see the light" and uses this thread to profile himself as the goodfather of game designing. Since im probably getting muted, im out. bb
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#275 - 2015-09-10 08:04:03 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Verstal wrote:


So all I see here is that you want to cheat at Eve with trial accounts, and that you have resources and back up plans already thought out to execute or continue to exploit Eve? If it was me, and I was CCP I would test your back up plans out and start banning your accounts but that is me. I don't think your are good customer for CCP or care about new players.


Your idea of FtP would almost have to allow that kind of freedom, an with it wold come a flood of abuse.
I am not the one wanting exploits or whatever....but you are trying to create such an exploit.

I love my sandbox game, and think your idea is garbage...EvE is unique and it is definitely NOT for everyone.

And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them.
Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0.


I go into great detail how I softened my stance, and why. If you have constructive feedback and how to keep more the .1% of new player past 3 months then lets hear it or break down each idea on the front page and give an alternative.

Open rookie chat and help some new players learn the game? Give it an hour. People that want to learn that are trying to learn are in the process of learning right now. I am sure 1000+ people in rookie chat.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#276 - 2015-09-10 08:13:53 UTC
if eve went f2p i would quit, so would my alts which pay subscriptions and i also buy plex for real money. so what is more important, players who stay in the game long term or people like your friends who will play for a few months and move onto some other flavour of the month f2p mmo?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#277 - 2015-09-10 08:14:36 UTC
Captain Awkward wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them.
Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0.

Well after doing a little research on this poster (Verstal), I don't think they have ever really put much time into EVE, if any at all. Made an account in 07, just returned a week ago. In an NPC corp for years untouched. No standings. Even is linking this thread in bio. Either a total troll (post with your main?), or has been playing something like WoW or LOL all these years and is now here to save us from certain destruction (along with 3mil ragequitters from WoW over flying mounts). I call BS.

Really, OP, you should spend some time playing EVE before making sweeping judgements and wanting EVE to entirely change for you. If your friends from the other game are not interested, maybe it's just that you don't really know how to answer them yet nor know how to guide them into actually experiencing the game as it should be experienced; as you have not really done so yourself. Your game changing ideas are just bad, flat out bad, and maybe you would realize that if you spent time in the game, yourself.


But .... but .... but he is a super awesome "Programmer - Artist - Designer - Producer" that has trained other game designers for 15+ years. He told us multiple times how mutch experiance he has and how awesome he is. LISTEN TO HIM! Just look at how skillfull he dodged the questions that poke holes in his ideas and how awesome he mutes people that use solid arguments, causality and logic to deconstruct his visions that will save us all.

Lex Gabinia wrote:

Source? Or are you just making numbers up.... again?


Dont bother asking concrete questions. He will ether mute you or come up with a other spontanious and totaly awesome idea that will save EvE once and for all ... by killing it.

This thead should be locked. OP constantly changes topic, randomly mutes people that "do not see the light" and uses this thread to profile himself as the goodfather of game designing. Since im probably getting muted, im out. bb



Its closer to 26 years I started pretty young. :-) I am sure you helped a lot of people today learn Eve so they will get excited about making the commitment to sending a few dollars to CCP so that the servers and sandbox will open to all for another 10 years. If not, please do your part and go help someone.

The topic is -- Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve free to play?

Have you contributed any ideas, I cant remember.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#278 - 2015-09-10 08:20:14 UTC
Verstal wrote:


Open rookie chat and help some new players learn the game? Give it an hour. People that want to learn that are trying to learn are in the process of learning right now. I am sure 1000+ people in rookie chat.



you seem to have a very limited understanding of EVE and what has happened in the last few years.
this is a worry to hear you are helping new people and perhaps this is one of the reasons new bros are not sticking.
i know if i was new and i happened to be lucky enough to get help from someone like you who has this attitude that you have the answers to everything and refuse point blank to answer simple questions about statements you've made claiming all sorts of nonsense. i'm sure it wouldn't be long before i'd be thinking people in this game are full of shite.
rookie help channel should be moderated in some way. perhaps CCP should vet the vets that want to help and give them a different colour name in the channel letting rookies know this guy has been approved to help me.
you wanted constructive feed back. there ya go Roll

from what i've seen here so far, you should not be helping anyone. you could do with some help yourself.
Verstal
Incredibuilders United
#279 - 2015-09-10 08:23:19 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
if eve went f2p i would quit, so would my alts which pay subscriptions and i also buy plex for real money. so what is more important, players who stay in the game long term or people like your friends who will play for a few months and move onto some other flavour of the month f2p mmo?


So you are saying that a system that has changed a lot over 12 years on how accounts are managed that if it changes in anyway you are going to quit?

You are saying that no system that someone can express in words that could allow new player more time to fall in love with the game is not possible?

I have no ego about the ideas I wrote down I come up a ton of bad ideas all the time.

Are you telling me that you cant think of one thing that could help new players not run away from Eve like its a burning building?

Not one idea. At least try if not go help someone with your knowledge in Rookie Chat, take a new player under your wing, be a good human help your fellow man in a video game or better yet go do it in the real world.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#280 - 2015-09-10 08:24:31 UTC
Verstal wrote:


The topic is -- Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve free to play?

Have you contributed any ideas, I cant remember.



you think CCP never considered free to play and that's just about the end of it. your ignorance in this matter shows everyone reading this that indeed you don't know what the feck you're talking about.