EVE General Discussion

Answer the question:

“EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core.”
“[O]nce you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept.”
“The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment.”
“[T]here are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.”

This is how CCP describes EVE. Why are you so adamantly against letting prospective players know this? Why should this nature be made abundantly clear in the pitch? Why would you even mention something that is wholly subordinate to this one core defining characteristic?

Another good example of how false expectations cause undue dissappointment, when faced with EVE reality.

Having said that:
I also was dissappointed after my training into Muninn/Vagabond, for the purposes I had envisaged.
But I didnt quit the game.
Instead I stubbornly started training into Loki, and again was dissappointed towards the purposes I had envisaged!
Bah!

Tough ****.

Its not the games fault.
Its my own for not having researched enough.
But nonetheless, I can fly these ships now and for future use.
So the investment in time was not altogether wasted.

Hoping Ive done my homework properly on my next ship choice...

I'm not, I'm just not in favour of simply stating "it's a PvP game" like you are, as if that's all the game is. It has significantly more to it than that which CCP state within the very pages you lifted those quotes from. And let's not forget, those quotes aren't the first thing they see, the homepage is, which doesn't anywhere state "EVE is a PvP Game".

But it is the core design element of the game — if someone goes all hot potato at the mention of this fact, then adding in “…and also PvE” just gives them false hope and doesn't actually add any deeper or more rounded understanding of the game. At the end of the day, that “PvE” is also a form of PvP, and the PvP that made them wince will still be there, as unavoidable as ever.

So it seems like a very good filter for prospective players, and a good starting point for anyone you just want to explain the game to. Because once you add in all the conditionals and prerequisites, you end up in the same place: everything is PvP in one way or another. Getting bogged down in an relatively minute detail that you just have to add “…but this is also PvP” at the end of becomes a rather pointless tangent to the overall need to describe the many forms in which PvP manifests itself.

If you want to categorise the gameplay EVE offers, variants of PvP are far more telling than “PvP” and “fake-PvE that is actually also PvP.” If you want to describe the dynamic of the game, it's entirely PvP-centric since it revolves around the destruction-production-market dynamic, which is PvP at every step of the way. If you want to categorise the gameplay according to aesthetics, then PvE is not even an option (but then, neither is PvP at that point).

That is indeed a problem, and probably something they should think about adding. However, that omission on the front page does not change what the game actually is nor what CCP then goes on to describe it as.

So you don't understand that the problem here is your narrow definition of pvp, not what Tip is saying.Why is it hard to understand that PVP is at the core of the game. No one said anything about "all there is". Just like a twinky has cream at it's center, that's not all there is to it (but without that creak all you got is a dry husk lol).

Rather than arguing silly semantics like you always do, it would be more personally profitable to take a look at yourself and ask why you always end up in these kinds of circle jerks (and while you are at it, examine why you always deny easily observable truths while you are in there). The 1st step is admitting you have a problem.

I seriously don't care. I'm now at home and the absolute last thing I want to have an endless debate about what to call a dying game. I'm gonna have a beer, do some trading, maybe some PvE that doesn't exist and watch a movie.

I need to get sisi working. We need to put together a new player vid that is a default with starting Eve. How would I do it?

Before that first undock and start up, ask a question.

Welcome to New Eden.

This rich and propserous galaxy offers much to new pilots but most of it is still a wild and untamed frontier.

We have an orientation video which can show a small sample of some of the opportunities, risks, and rewards you might encounter in your time in space.

Would you care to watch (note this can be viewed later, blah blah)

Yes. No.


Then a video that is like five minutes that goes from mining and ganks to full on sov. Make it clear from start that even the most mundane pve can have risks. Miners tank more, people more confident because from first undock, they are on their toes. Stuff all us community based Vets tell rookies to ensure they have a good time.

I understand that the problem is the average gamer's definition of PvP. I know PvP means more than that, you know it too, but someone who doesn't play EVE won't know that we've decided to extend the definition.

I know why, it's because nobody including myself is generally willing to even remotely back down from their side of a debate. They get more and more dead set that they are right and other people are wrong that they won't budge. Worse, it's not even good enough if the other person walks away, they need to feel like they've defeated their opponent.

Well now it's done. I concede, Tippia wins.

Maybe people are quitting because they're sick to ******* death of reading The Same Six People Turning Everything Into Yet Another Unbearably Tedious And Unproductive "Bears vs Gankers" Thread Number Eighteen Thousand Two Hundred And Fifty ******* Seven.

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