EVE General Discussion

He's not "seeing" anything, he's guessing. He has no info on how many bots exist within the game at this time, nor any way to deduce it from what he sees in game, since to an outside perspective most bots just look like players. Personally, I'd expect there to be more bots in game now that mining and ratting are bigger parts of holding sov.

No guy was bombing with 40 accounts simultaneously, since you can't field that many bombers in a run. Solo bomb runs can also still happen, it just requires a few more clicks between button presses. You know this stuff, I'm guessing this is some terrible trolling.

No it doesn't, that's just a cop out. Effectively what you're saying there is that if you don't argue it then obviously noone thinks it's bad that it changed so it's a good thing it changed, but if they do argue it then there must have been an advantage, therefore it's good that it changed. Considering I use more multiboxing software now than before (before I used no software, now I use eve-o preview) it's unlikely the reason for me being against this change was because of the mysterious advantage it gave me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that CCP made multiboxing more challenging, I simply disagree with how they did it. They did it by scapegoating and banning a method of control that has been used for years and can't be conclusively detected. What they should have done is go after the root cause, which is bad mechanics.

Mining is insanely passive and too easy to scale. Incursions are too simple and easy to multibox solo. Bombing is the same. Look at exploration, that's never been mass multiboxed with broadcast. Why? Because each screen has it's own specific things to do. Each screen has to be actively played. That's what they should be working towards and that's what we as players should be pushing for. That so many people are happy to see them avoid making mechanics changes and instead just change the rules is quite sad. It's happening again too with the fleet warp changes. It's much easier to just break fleet warp so people have to manually warp a few more time rather than fix the mechanics - like bomber mechanics - that are passive enough to benefit from fleet warp.

For detecting straight up broadcasts sure, but edge cases are where detection falls down, and CCP even stated themselves that they can't completely eliminate false positives. Worse, their detection profiles get updated from past detections, so each false positive will make further errors more likely. Pure math it may be, but math can both be written and interpreted badly.

And that doesn't change that what they should have been looking at is improving mechanics, not covering up their badly designed mechanics with the EULA. If the game were involving enough it would be impossible to broadcast at a reasonable level of efficiency.

So the new win+tab upgrade in Windows 10 is making running multiple clients very fast and easy, along the lines of ISBoxer per people who have tried it.

What's CCP's next move?

What's the word on isboxer videofx mouseover functionality to assist in multiple client interaction?

well i think its "no" based on how fast you are

because technically you can use mouseover inside a vfx window and its not mousing inside a client

i asked for clarification on that and also on key mapping (mapping f1 on client A to f12) and never received an answer.

some off my friends told me that windows 10 made it really easy'etc. (idk) I don't have it, but. yeah. lol

Bump, been killing People. no brodcasting needed, rage was/is sweet. <3

I am fairly new to EvE. I guess you could say, EvE is my WoW replacement. I totally agree with this policy. Blizzard was a little more relaxed than this because they had the ingame macro system where you could make your own buttons. Even with macros built into the game, Blizzard was totally against the same things. WoW has a mechanic called "global cooldown" and you could fire off as many skills as you want instantly with 1 press as long as you do not trigger global cooldown. Once anything trigger the global cooldown, it was illegal for the macro to continue, and the game would "fizzle" or stop it once it triggered.

They also have a strict policy against "automation". You still had to have a hardware input to do anything ingame. So even with the relaxed stance on the "macro" thing, they still policed the automation programs and bots. Anyway........

I am all for this policy, but the game needs a more robust keybind system. The UI is almost "stone-age" compared to any other game in this respect. CCP don't want macros or scripts, AWESOME and more power to em, but at least give us a more indepth keybind system with more "functions" or "actions" able to be bound to a key......

For example, you have a key to command drones to attack a target, you have automation "behavior" installed for how they act (passive/aggressive), you have a key to recall them all to your hanger bay, you let us create "groups" for them but you have to right click each group heading and find the "launch" command in a drop down menu box.......... Ok, I can understand not wanting 1 button that will release 100 drones all with one press..... I get that. You already have a system in place in the existing keybind system to apply. You hold ctrl key down and click any object to target it. There you go..... Let us have a key to hold down, or even the ctrl key and click the group heading in the drone box to launch that group, just like we can target without right click/drop down menu to target. Instant hotkey that does not allow 500 drones to be launched with 1 single button press, yet still give us a hotkey......

I do like parts of the UI. The overview is an awesome "customizable" information display tool that rocks. The only thing missing is at least a tiny bit more robust keybind system.....


And to all the "botters and such", I can run a keyboard faster than a bot can do it..... I did try out the MF bot for diablo 2, and I could do manual runs way faster than the bot could....... The only thing a bot has is that it can play for you while you sleep/work. Anyone that needs a bot to help you kill people is just pathetic :)



And... to the people that do not think they can effectively police for people using auto programs........ Blizzard opened up their UI to the players so they could build their own UI and such, and they did a descent job of "policing" for bots and such. WIth CCP keeping their API locked down and closed, it is just that much easier to "police" because ANY software or such messing with the game code, or inputting commands sticks out even more and actually easier to catch than blizzard was doing.

bump!