EVE General Discussion

New players become veterans. More intuitive NPE introduces more aspects of gameplay early on to give players a bit more buzz. By making it intuitive instead of hand holding means they have better understanding of core mechanics. That leads to better players when they stay.

Seems unlikely that is what he is referring to.

How is explaining that your whole statement was based on a wrong assumption somehow supportive of your statement? I am not sure you understand what I wrote.[/quote]

Simple. Bell's theorem comes down to it is impossible to perfectly predict due to variation. Therefore it is, as I stated has an element of randomness due to something that cannot be quantified. The lowest level of known science is always based on an assumption. It isn't that it is random, it simply is we are guessing how it works.

I will sum up, I really hate reading scientific articles on wikipedia. I find them terrible in presentation.

They like to run on sentences, the use of comma, however something, stated by the correctness of european grammar; semicolon, thus the continuity of speed is unbroken, as shown in previous portions of this statement, makes me sound more intellectual via use of inefficiency, thereby, for people who prefer to get to the point and present the facts, inefffective in presentation.

Drives me nuts when stuff is written like that. Wiki of course has some fantastic information, but it is horrible in presentation. Wise yoda was, speak like him so we must.

Not something I really feel like debating. The whole point of my original statement was nothing is random but only seems that way due to unknowns. As the link, in a longwinded way explains, even when we think we have every variable isolated, there can always be something to give the slightest bit of variation from an expected result. That still is not random. It is just an un-quantifiable variable. Does not mean it always will be.

Is like the old theory. It is theoretically possible for time to move backwards, but to do so would entail destruction of the universe and even still, wouldn't be a true past.




The other stuff is pedantic stuff. This has been going on for years. CCP essentially removes stuff that becomes "manditory" that offers no value other than tedium.

Example?
Who here remembers learning skills? o/
Who here trained all of them to lvl 5? o/

There is all the stuff that busts up supercap fleets and makes it more desirable to fly nub ships now.

There is stuff that seems for "new players" but I don't see what is wrong with that. Who cares if we need frigates and trollceptors. They are counterable. Get nubs into those rolls and veterans can get back to doing what they are doing. So much whining about things not being like the old days. Funny... This topic came up elsewhere outside of eve.

"This is how we have been doing it for X years"

Good, that just means you have failed to improve for X years. Failure of improvement is fail.

"Got this much experience, we know how..."

Good, experience just means you should know better by now but dont.


Another funny out of eve example of not catering to a new market at expense of existing?

A funny little automotive line that was losing money and absolute garbage called Cadillac. General Motor Execs just absolutely insisted on building the cars they want and not what the market wanted. Result, the cars were flocking sheet, but a small quantity of old people like em. Guess what? Over ten years, they redesigned and scrapped their preconceived notions and started from scratch. They did not compromise on what they considered the name should mean, and as result, now world class vehicle again.

Eve is the same way. As a player, I am saying forget about us. Get to the freaking core of eve and start from scratch. Eve isn't about Capital ship vs Capital ship combat. It is about massive PvP. We just got use to one mechanic and some people invested everything into it. But their are some old farts in this game who just want their eve to be like their Deville. Useless trash for the new market, but is what they had before.

If that means pissing on people who made a multibox empire off a one trick pony? So be it. That one trick pony is eventually going to leave. Eve needs new blood. Press F1 combat is not going to cut it. We need combat which new player stuff is the main, and us veterans are the flagships amongst them. Epic fleet combat and sov should need a population base just like the player base. Ideally a majority of newer accounts where a good number won't stay extensively long times. Then there is a few sub command of experienced players led all by those key veterans.

Kinda like squads. FC leads WC which command squads. That is the way combat needs to be, massive fleet, squad on squad and dynamic. That isn't going to happen if they don't start from scratch. Is "Bad" for veterans, but you know what else is bad for veterans?

CCP shutting off the servers because people are more concerned with the good ol days thinking players a decade later still have the same desires.

Ok I know the reason why now, a part of it anyway, well a tad regarding EVE. If you look at Android apps for EVE at google play, and go to the people 'also installed' section, you notice most EVE apps show solid WoW apps numbers that people also installed. There have been a lot of people to invade EVE coming from WoW, but not just coming, but trying to co-exist (er or to cry why EVE isn't more like WoW).

Well, as many know, with the latest WoW expansion, many WoW nerds ragequit WoW, like over 3 million. I don't know why exactly, who knows? but over something about not being able to use flying mounts in the newest expansion or something. Well, these cross-over players between WoW and EVE didn't just ragequit WoW, they ragequit the entire MMO genre All these mmo's are suffering now (or so they say), not just EVE, but over all mmo's interest is way down.

Many of these WoW nerds finally left the genre, and I hope... gone for evaaah!!
Dont let teh door hit you on the way out you WoW nerds leaving the mmo genre you never gave a damn about!
This is what happens when you run TV ads to draw in players, you get a bunch of lazy couch potatoes expecting entitlement to their way of gaming or they throw tantrums before going back to the couch.
So, PCU down? Like for reals? May be a good thing.

'03 or bust

Bell's Theorem was designed to test the theory that object properties really do have actual values before they're measured (what you call unknowns - or hidden variables). Its violation in experiment means you either have to throw out localism or realism - or both. That is to say, it's not that the properties are hidden - there really aren't any before you make a measurement.

EvE is such an odd beast.


My only grief, yet also fascination with EvE, is always the preparation time for something, in the end, like most mmos, it's all about, time. I have a bunch of ships I simply decked out for something, then while making an alternative ship for the same thing, I find something else to start dabble in.

Meanwhile in Elite:D I just fly around explore, bounty hunt, join random conflict zones, s I fly through the galaxy, from that alone, CCP should maybe looks at how to minimize downtime, between action/journey and preparation.

My real suggestion would be, more insane exploration sites, in all sectors, some daily minor random highsec raids by NPC factions, making mission running pull you far away from where you were, but give a higher reasonable payout for this, to make newer players get out and around more often. Create more dangerous missions in general, with rogue drones, which drops loot ect.

Give any one with limited time something very calculated to do as well.

Inbe4 casual normie.

...or ask the question why and answer that.

Is basis of science! They have properties. We just cannot measure it. Science isnt about getting answers, it is about asking questions. A scientist who finds answers has failed. A scientist who finds something to bring about more questions....

I think it's simple. The PVP needs to be better. A LOT better. I don't have a good suggestion on how to make that happen, but I think that's the core problem. They need to seriously start focusing on this. Make the PVP FUN and rewarding and dangerous.

There needs to be some rewards for pvping. And I'm not talking isk or LP. There isn't any real rewards in pvp besides posting km for bragging rights and having a green killboard.

I think if you're a pirate it should be more "official" than a -10 security rating. You should be the one who gets the pirate bpc's and gets certain benefits others don't get, at a cost. Something like that.

The game mechanic of CONCORD showing up in seconds and being immortal and insta blowing you up takes something away from the game. So does having to play a stupid mini game to take over space. Why does someone have to read an article on how to steal someones space in a "hardcore sandbox mmo"? You shoot the infastructure, it blows up. Simple. I personally like the 4 hour window. It would ensure you can't get taken over at 4am, but just take away everything else.

PVE could do with some work too. PVE is too easy and boring. You kill 10 BS in 5 mins in a cruiser hull, and whooptydoo. This is while afk. It should be much more of a "thing" to solo even a PVE BS. Hopefully they make something happen with this drifter thing.

hey

you want better PVP >>>> EVE is a sandbox, create better PVP
you want concord to let you blow whoever up whenever. >>>>> null sec.
you want to be rewarded for blowing people up >>>>> bounty hunter.
you don't want to read and learn how to be better at what you do >>>>>> prepare to die a lot and fail at most thing.