EVE General Discussion

Sure I do. However, in this case I'm discussing docking ramps and why you should never be in a position to be bumped there, at least not in empire space.

It's so awesome that you have so many details on my situation that you were not a part of and I have not told you. Tell me again how you came to your incorrect conclusions on my encounters in the game. So, because I disagree with hyperdunking and CCPs acceptance of it, you take that to mean that I have failed somehow. How did I fail? What did I lose? Please link the killmail on my assets, because I don't remember it happening; but you know more about me than I do - enough to despise my attempt to "couch my personal failures". Please tell me more about me - but hurry because the game is almost done re-downloading for me to completely delete Throth; or STFU because you have no clue what you are talking about lol.

People who cant argue with logic and reason rise up things that doesnt direct contradict the idea, but asserts that the person who contradicts is more experienced or important than the person who conveys the idea. That kind of fallacy is so old it has a latin name: Ad Verecundiam.

And then you try to make the assertion of authority over the issue more proeminent by trying to use offensive or detrimental language, which also has a latin name, it is called: Ad Hominem.

Which has been always the sign that you yourself cant back your own claims by means of a reason why the other person is wrong, instead of implying the person must be.

And that has always been answered by another technique which also has a latin name: In Veritas.

"Does the truth stop being the truth because the messenger is a lier ? Does a fact stop from happening because it is related by someone who didnt witnessed it ?"

From your own posts. You are the one on here complaining and talking about quitting, not me.



Yes. Because if you have played for so long, you know this game is about adapting to crap you don't like. I'm in a null sec plagued by fozzie sov, I know of what I speak.



So you were not a victim of hyperducking, but you feel strongly enough about it ti fake-quit (lol).

You expose yourself.

His point isn't moot; you just misunderstood what it was. In fact, he was almost supporting your stance in an oblique kind of way…

I don't have a job in a game. I didn't pay $15 to have a job; I paid to play a game. I played a game since 2004 that changed from a game where you got to pilot space ships to a game for griefers. I held on as long as I could to the small amount of PvE that was left in the game until it was gone. And now I'm leaving. I never said it was anyone's fault; I clearly stated the facts. Griefers like to grief, and then blame the victims of their griefing because the victims weren't 100% up to date on the techniques the griefers were currently using based on whatever outside sources some choose to use. I take responsibility for not spending the extra time to surf the internet for out-of-game resources to combat the griefers. I take responsibility and clearly state that a game that treats it's players as if the game is a job is not a game I wish to play anymore, and as a player from the beginning I will correct you in your false assumptions and false perceptios that the game was always this way; it was not. You can't use you deception on me - I was here at the beginning. Try that "it was always this way" bull sht on someone else.[/quote]

Everything you are describing has been around since 2003. If you bury your head in the sand you may not see it.

I remember back in 2004 it was cruise missle Kessies in Yulai. The 'griefing' as you seem to want to call it has always been a part of Eve, and is not against any rules of the game.

Sorry you're not having fun anymore, but a 10+ year run in any game will do that to someone. However, don't say that this type of behavior is something new that CCP is encouraging. It has been this way since the start.[/quote]

I'm still loving the 2015 toons telling me how "it has always been"... As a legitimate player since 2004, I've never been a victim or know of victims of "missile kessies". The fact that it doesn't still exist negates your example - if it still existed and I failed to recognize it, then it would fit you example. There "was" and exploit according you you (one that a legitimate player as myself does not recognise) that no longer exists - CCP fixed it. I am talking about an occurrence of CCP officially stating that all is as intended. Phk off twt.[/quote]

My 2004 character is not active because I came back to Eve after a long break and wanted to re-learn the game because I'm a noob all over with all of the recent changes.

When I started Eve in 2004 (after playing beta and keeping an eye on the game news since 2001) there were people flying Kestrels fitted with standard launchers which at the time held cruise missles. They were suicide ganking haulers in Yulai, which was the Jita of the time.

Point being, that is just one example of how Eve has always had suicide ganking, and a need to be aware of local and your own situation.

I'm sorry if you missed that, but I'm really not surprised as you've clearly had your head in the sand this whole time.

"Phk off twt" indeed, you're a real nice one aren't you?
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Be quiet noob. We are talking about hyperdunking. You can't substantiate you claims of being an old player. You reference to suicide ganking is moot because CCP did not endorse it, and has changed it as is evident by the fact that you can't do it anymore. If there is some difference between the two, show you proofs or stfu.

*Facepalms more....

I am reading this rolling ball of swill and wonder what happened to:

DO NOT FLY WHAT YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE?

Isn't that kinda basic? I mean if you get ganked, it kinda sucks but you build back and learn? Hyperdunking, new tactics doesn't matter. Sometimes people think of something clever, and sometimes you are victim. It happens in pvp fights, in scams, market trading, you name it. If you are victim, figure out wtf and don't let it happen again.

Edit: Do you want to know what I call experience?

All that means to me is that potentially you have been doing it wrong a lot longer without catching on.

You'd think ti was basic, but as long as people have been saying that, others have been ignoring it and creating things that one website now calls "ALODs".

Some people are incapable of learning or applying common sense to their lives, but rather than learn how to, it's easier (in the short term) just to blame someone else and go on as if they didn't just **** up.

The problem is the self worth of a person is sometimes measured by the idea that said persons actions are justified by something.

That is another fallacy, that one is called: Ad Misericordiam.

And that is the one people use to get empathy when they cant get sympathy.

Give them reason because you suffer the same thing or understand the reason of the suffering.

From 2003 EVE Trailer