EVE General Discussion

Ok Here is my 2 cents worth.

Too many Eve players are bullies and you pick on weaker pilots till they get frustrated with the game and leave. I wish more of you would consider that your own actions contribute to people leaving.

This is a dark and brutal experience where there is no sympathy for anything, not everyone can handle this vibe so be mindful of this when you want to blame CCP for numbers dropping.

I am not complaining about dark and brutal, I like it and enjoy avoiding it or finding tactics to counter it. I've prepared a small role play to push my point further;

Noob: You killed my exhumer, it took ages for me to grind for that.

Ganker: Who gives a ****, go and play WOW, or hello kitty online.

Noob: Ok I will, Bye.

This is the norm in Eve, accept that your actions have consequence and accept that it is partly you who shapes the game and affects numbers.

So your argument that it's not PvP is that if you don't compete, you can't lose what you're not committing to the competition?

If not, your comment makes no sense and you'd better explain what on earth you're on about.

No. In combat, you can destroy someone's ship, because that's what the player-vs-player competition is all about in that particular instance: failure means destruction. On the market, the competition is over value and wealth — generally ISK and assets — and failure means loss of either of those two.

…but we're not talking about lost profits. We're talking about lost value and wealth — something that occurs on the market all the time.

We're not talking about competitive PvE — i.e. where people compare their ability to beat a computer opponent. We're talking about PvP, where people compete against each other. At no point is the “E” in PvE involved, and at no point does it offer any kind of opposition or competition.

…and that's why you're as hilariously wrong about this as you were when you tried to redefined what “passive” meant: because you choose to define meanings that bear only a passing resemblance to what terms actually mean.

Actually no. You do not compete against the environment but still against other players. Only can players not destroy one another in competitive PvE, because the environment protects both. This is exactly the case with market traders, who sit safely docked at their stations. They can trade their asses off, but it will not make each others ship or capsule explode.

Yesterday evening: 34509 Players logged in!?

It normally goes as follows:

Gankee: Incoherent rant casting aspersions on your parenthood, involving forced sexual relations with your mother, your kids and your pets, followed by threats of violence, arson, and other things that are completely out of proportion to the loss of some pixels.

Ganker: Go back to WoW and play with the other children you worthless scrub, Eve is for adults.

Young? I'm probably older than you, and yes I played games in arcades (usually at a mall) starting in the late 70s. If i could have back all the quarters I stuffed into a Galaga machine, I'd be rich (correction, my dad would be rich, they were his quarters).

Playing any of those games competitively was PVP (even if the term hadn't been invented yet), you were competing for highest score against another person, even if you had to take turns and weren't directly playing against another person. Trying to invent a new term when the current (more simple and descriptive) term works is dumb. It basically means people have to much time on their hands.

…which instantly disqualifies it from being PvE and firmly plants it in the realm of PvP.

…except that the traders can destroy one another in their efforts to compete. This “competitive PvE” notion you've invented is something that you'll have to go play Borderlands to find, or maybe some old arcade machine with a score board — it does not exist in EVE, and especially not in the form of the purely player-versus-player market.

What I speak of is natural human emotion. No one really wants to be in an environment where they feel pushed around and bullied. And it is not just new players that don't like the way things are.

If there has been 1000s of forum posts relating to people being alienated from the game because its so brutal then it's wise to accept this will have an effect on numbers. I've been playing for 12 years and I've read the forums consistently, I know the way most of you deal with whine threads it is negative and non constructive, because of this people leave.

No. Another player can simply not make you lose items in trading. You can set up an item for too high and never sell it. You then did compete, but lost in the competition, but you still own the item. All you really have lost is your expectation of a profit.

This is what competitive PvE is about. Some players expect to win, but then lose, because others were better and as a result did the better players win a price.