EVE New Citizens Q&A

Dessies are popular gank ships, of course.

Additionally, you can have fun with lol fits in low sec.

Here's a fit that I am fond of...

[Catalyst, PvP Ganker]

Damage Control II
200mm Steel Plates II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Small Trimark Armor Pump I

- This is a "functional" PvP-fit (see: it is actually designed to deal and take damage in a "general" PvP scenario).

- All PvP-geared destroyers more or less follow the above example's fitting arrangement.

- With high skills, this particular ship can pump out about 400+ damage per second. Other destroyers can come close in low to upper 300 dps range.

- the tradeoff is that destroyers are not particularly fast compared to other ships and it has about the same HP as a really beefy frigate.



Now compare that to this beauty...

[Catalyst, Suicide Ganker]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

5MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]


- this is an example of a "suicide ship."

- it gives up all pretense of defense and throws everything into dealing as much damage as possible in as short a time as possible.

- Because it isn't designed to survive any encounter, it is fit as cheaply as possible.

- it can dish out about 350 damage per second... a little over 400 dps when the guns have been overloaded (you need the skill "Therodynamics" to do this).

- this is not made for "general" PvP combat. It will die against any combat capable ship it cannot kill in less than 10 seconds.

- this is a popular ship to use in attacks against hapless people in high security space.



In both cases... the common tactic is for groups of destroyers to swarm and quickly kill the most expensive thing on field before any of the victim's allies can remotely repair their friend or kill the onslaught of destroyers.
Often, the result is the destroyer group being destroyed... but still coming out ahead because they only lost "cheap stuff" relative to the stuff that the victim lost.

In mixed fleets... the destroyer is handy for killing frigates that have "pinned" (see: warp disrupted and stasis webbed) a larger ship.
However... Tech 2 Assault Frigates are somewhat better as they have greater survivability and mobility (which comes at the cost of raw damage).

Don't forget the sniper cormorant fleets, the talwar fleets which are cheap and efficient ...the "progression" you see in PvE does not apply to PvP, there lower ship classes are very popular.

T2 Destroyers are Interdictors, specifically designed to deploy bubbles in nullsec. They were never designed for mission running.

As for the T1 Dessies, TalwarFleet is still popular. Algos have been seen roaming the great wildlands and Longbow Cormorants are still a solid fleet doctrine.

However, T3Ds have all but blown T1 dessies out of contention for those with the SP to fly them.

Can you list out the Talwar and Cormorant fits the way Shahfluffers did up above? This is all welcomed advice, thank you very much.

Sounds like suicide ganking is even more one sided than I originally thought.

Funny thing is you tell others to fit modules for defense but you don't fit any as you use CONCORD as your defense until you attack.

Ref: the bit I bolded and underlined, so for the majority that's not so bad.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is. How are they hiding behind Concord when you can shoot them in the face without Concord interfering?

Re: fitting a tank.
The advice from gankers is valid, they have to invest more ships and man hours into making a tanked ship explode than they do into making a triple cargo expanded ship explode.

4 gankers hitting one target = 1 man hour and the minimum loss of 4 fully fitted ships, there's often 4 unfitted rookie ships too; something some people fail to take into account when they use Concords KB to try and prove that the rate of suicide ganking is too damn high.

T1 destroyers are often used in PvP and have some uses in wormholes as well where c5/6 wolf rayet stars can accommodate coercers and catalysts along with logi to run the sites.

I just want to point out to the OP that Eve is a PvP based game. Ship design and balancing is done almost exclusively around PvP. PvE is kind of a secondary after thought in this game.

So don't try to make any sense of any type of "ship progression" as it never was intended. In this game ships are disposable tools to get a specific job done. As you have discovered you don't ever grow out of ships. Years down the road you'll still be flying a lot of the same classes of ships that you flew early on.