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CCP - End Highsec Incursions

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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#1041 - 2015-08-26 02:07:26 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

I have 2 chars with an almost perfect skillset for incursions, but in all my EVE time i have spent only around 10h in incursions. Why? Because they are a boring grind. I know no one who does only incursions in EVE.

2Sonas1Cup wrote:

Incursions are 5 years old, there is nothing new about them that someone hasn't thought of and tried in the past to successfully gank incursioners and come out in profit. NO, you won't. NO, there isn't a secret way. Or else there would be plenty of other people doing it already, just think about it, you're not Einstein.

Example most recent fail attempt, 40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord.
Incursioners laughed at you on comms.

"40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord"

WHAT
Are you serious?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1042 - 2015-08-26 03:16:44 UTC
Algarion Getz wrote:
"40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord"

WHAT
Are you serious?

It's important to bear in mind that the failure was due to the lag induced by the gankers essentially creating a large number of crimewatch events. It's not that the trap wouldn't have worked were the server up to it.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#1043 - 2015-08-26 08:26:15 UTC
Ganker tears? Man this thread delivers.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1044 - 2015-08-26 12:16:20 UTC
tl;dr - This is a very stupid idea. Incursions are fine the way they are.

Now a real issue is the wildly disproportionate risk versus reward ratio for suicide ganks. There needs to be much much more risk. It's murder and easy after all. Oh wait, that's a different thread.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1045 - 2015-08-26 13:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Urgg Boolean wrote:
tl;dr - This is a very stupid idea. Incursions are fine the way they are.

Now a real issue is the wildly disproportionate risk versus reward ratio for suicide ganks. There needs to be much much more risk. It's murder and easy after all. Oh wait, that's a different thread.


Ganking risk/reward is allright. Incursion risk/reward isn't.

If you want to make them more gankable, you need to nerf the content so they can shitfit their wtfpwnblingmobile more. The current level of tank + logi support is required by the content itself. They counter gank by default.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#1046 - 2015-08-26 19:29:22 UTC
This is all moot. Drifter Incursions are here. If left unchecked, the Drifter Incursion spreads to other systems. Don't do these incursions, and that means less and less systems will be available for an incursion to spawn in. Glorious!
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#1047 - 2015-11-19 14:14:54 UTC
This could be the one thing that can save nullsec
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1048 - 2015-11-19 14:45:24 UTC
So you decided to necro 4 different incursion threads? Is someone afraid of their unbalanced cash cow getting slaughtered?
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1049 - 2015-11-19 14:49:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
So you decided to necro 4 different incursion threads? Is someone afraid of their unbalanced cash cow getting slaughtered?


I didn't check the other ones yet but this is the second where a nerf is called for in the necro.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1050 - 2015-11-19 14:51:02 UTC
+1 supported

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Austneal
Nero Fazione
#1051 - 2015-11-19 16:46:35 UTC
Have there always been this many "CCP Please Nerf" threads on the forums?

I seem to remember there being far fewer when I first started browsing... maybe not though
Tank Murdock Jnr
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1052 - 2015-11-19 17:39:29 UTC
Austneal wrote:
Have there always been this many "CCP Please Nerf" threads on the forums?


Usually once a week or so for something. What's happening is that CAM/CAM's-latest-alt is digging them all up for some reason.

Actually, I'd speculate that the reason is either...
(a) trolling
(b) attention seeking
(c) desperate attempt to justify existence
(d) all of the above

When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane? Maybe you're just sitting around, reading 'Guns and Ammo', masturbating in your own faeces...do you just stop and go, 'Wow! It is amazing how f*cking crazy I really am!'?

Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#1053 - 2015-11-19 21:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Samwise Everquest
Running an incursion takes a fleet and coordination. I think it should be a very profitable PvE option.

It is also the only PvE in this game I could tolerate for more than 20 minutes.

Pras Phil.

Avvy
Doomheim
#1054 - 2015-11-19 21:41:53 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:


Yea but you understand what Im saying right?

It is really nonsensical how much highsec incursions pay. It kills eve.

CCP: "Youre not supposed to feel safe when you log in, youre supposed to feel a cold and harsh environment"

Well this is totally the opposite of what eve feels like right now if youre an incursioner.


Heres what I do as an incursioner in eve:

- log in
- waitlist and grab a beer
- join fleet make 250mil an hour with lp included (each account)
- run for 2 or 3 hours and log out

Wheres the harsh and cold environment in this
?



So you do it yourself and try to nerf it.

Does this mean you've made your isk from it, so you think it's time to nerf it?

If you think it's that bad don't do it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1055 - 2015-11-19 21:46:39 UTC
Avvy wrote:

If you think it's that bad don't do it.


Not doing it myself doesn't change the fact that it's the most unbalanced personal income in the game. Incursions break risk vs reward in a very literal way, and that's why they will be removed. Hopefully soon.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Avvy
Doomheim
#1056 - 2015-11-19 21:56:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Avvy wrote:

If you think it's that bad don't do it.


Not doing it myself doesn't change the fact that it's the most unbalanced personal income in the game. Incursions break risk vs reward in a very literal way, and that's why they will be removed. Hopefully soon.



Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense. Generally risk can change from day to day the reward will also change due to RNG.

Lets take the Goons as they're the biggest I've heard of in null.

The outskirts of their empire will likely have more risk than the centre of their empire yet a lot of the activities maybe the same. Does that mean you would like to see the centre of their empire make less isk because on a daily basis they have less risk?


Edit:

But then I think you are really talking about isk generated per hour.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1057 - 2015-11-19 22:17:18 UTC
Blitzing Burners is a highsec activity that pays more than Incursions per hour.


Just saying.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1058 - 2015-11-19 22:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Avvy wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:


Yea but you understand what Im saying right?

It is really nonsensical how much highsec incursions pay. It kills eve.

CCP: "Youre not supposed to feel safe when you log in, youre supposed to feel a cold and harsh environment"

Well this is totally the opposite of what eve feels like right now if youre an incursioner.


Heres what I do as an incursioner in eve:

- log in
- waitlist and grab a beer
- join fleet make 250mil an hour with lp included (each account)
- run for 2 or 3 hours and log out

Wheres the harsh and cold environment in this
?



So you do it yourself and try to nerf it.

Does this mean you've made your isk from it, so you think it's time to nerf it?

If you think it's that bad don't do it.


That's the same as saying "if you think crack kills people, just don't smoke it yourself" lol.

I run incursions among other things (I ran high sec lvl 5s too even though that was a bug, if it's there, im gonna use it).. Unbalanced is unbalanced whether you participate or not. A few hundred characters generating the 3rd largest isk faucet in a game of hundreds of thousands of characters (where as it takes a whole lot to generate the 1st and second isk faucets) is broken no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1059 - 2015-11-19 22:20:40 UTC
Avvy wrote:

Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense.


Then you don't belong here.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Avvy
Doomheim
#1060 - 2015-11-19 22:23:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Avvy wrote:

Risk v's reward, to me is nonsense.


Then you don't belong here.



Just because I don't share your view. Me not sharing your view doesn't change anything.