Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hmm....it doesn't appear to be so much this:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48675936/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48675935/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48675935/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48675583/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48674901/

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as it is....

this:
http://rischwa.net/coalitions/

The Imperium (38.05%) - 41237
Provi-Bloc (9.72%) - 10530
Black Legion. (2.29%) - 2486
Borderlands Syndicate (6.54%) - 7089
Dank Meme Dominion (5.74%) - 6215
Drone Region Federation (12.01%) - 13020
Elite Space Coalition (3.26%) - 3529
Guardians of the Galaxy (7.60%) - 8233
Lethal Ironingboards (0.67%) - 724
Pandemic Legion (4.22%) - 4575
Red Menace (3.36%) - 3637
Stain Wagon (6.54%) - 7090

...so, if this were a team deathmatch on pretty much any shooter (heck, let's just say Dust514, why not, it still exists....right....right?), we are looking at a team of 8 vs a team of 2, and the team of 8 is gloating, taunting, and talking about being bored...just sayin (this last part is for the threads saying stuff about not winning fast enough...or something)

I do like the idea of battlecruisers / command ships getting a bonus to using the Entosis Link.


Also thanks for the info on 'hiding posts', no more Orca rabblings in the thread. Now everyone just needs to stop quoting his trolling.

You cannot balance teams into equal team numbers if one team has already sucked up most of the available players and there's nothing left to put in other teams. You have to destroy yourself in order for a matchmaking to be able to create equal team sizes. However, this can only happen from the players themselves. As long as they only seek safety and stability (read: avoid fights and conflict), this is not going to happen.
There is more than 38% of Null sec under your banner, now that the Drone Land Russians also work closely with you. We are looking at nearly 50% of Null sec working together. I wonder where you want to get the players from for the other team? Besides, if the rest of Null sec banded together, nothing would be gained. 1 half of Null sec (or 2/5, if you will) is already blue and bored so that they need to go to High sec to find "fun"; that the other half also needs to blue up to be able to stand against that is just going to create the same boredom on their side. (Despite me demanding them banding together to get rid of CFC, it's simply not worth it or feasible.)

Interceptors are very well able to start fights and create distraction so that a defender has a harder time. Interceptors are also a valid choice to make taking sov of abandoned space go faster and get uncontested capture events done quicker so that actual content, like roams or camps can take place.

If you'd use your space actively, you would not have a "backyard". You certainly use your space a lot, but as long as you have a backyard, you are too big space-wise.

And we're not going to voluntarily cripple ourselves so that you can be balanced without having to figure out how to work with others. That leaves the only viable option to be for CCP to go ahead and do what they have needed to and develop a system where we either choose to dismantle ourselves or benefit less by attacking outside of our size brackets. All the time it's more rewarding and less risk to form together into coalitions, that's what will happen. If not us then someone else.

It's only for this war, we're not really working together in the normal sense, they simply have a statement to make and assisting in Provi helps them make the statement. It wouldn't be too hard to combine a few groups against us, but the problem isn't just our size, it's our level of organisation and dedication. And of course that most "grr goons" groups who would want to form against us are so high on the autistic spectrum that noone wants to associate with them. *shrug*

But in general they don't start fights, they are evasion fit. Evading is not fighting. 10 individual ceptors are less distracting than a 10 man cruiser gang.

They are, but there's no reason to use interceptors. Abandoned space has no defenders, so a battlecruiser would take the space as easily as an interceptor. Most would also be pre-fit for combat as the entosis would go in the utility slot, meaning they can even more quickly get into actual content. The evasion fit interceptor has to go back and ship into a combat ship.

The only reason to use interceptors is to run away from defenders. If you are running away from defenders you weren't attacking uncontested sov.

All of our space is our back yard and we do use it actively. I'm not at all worried that we're going to lose space, even less so knowing that most players will opt to go the safe route of using evasion fit interceptors instead of forming a real attack force. My problems with fozziesov are legitimately for the entertainment of the system all round, even if certain people want to claim adamantly that it's for self-preservation. I'm less worried about us losing space than I was in dominion.

For whatever it's worth, I feel you make a compelling case. It's too bad the powers that be didn't listen a bit more closely when setting up these things. I remember it was brought up back then. There has to be a better way to set up this system.

Congratulations on finding 4 interceptor losses out of the literal hundreds we have thrown out to Entosis. In other words "Trollceptors aren't a problem! They can be killed ~2% of the time!"

It's not "voluntary boredom", it's that the mechanics don't encourage people to do beyond the minimum when interacting with them. Defending is now easier since you only need to defend at preselected times and for attackers it's easier to simply annoy sov holders with frigates in multiple places rather than form up a group capable of actually taking sov to fight in one.

I'm not sure why you think we'll burn out pushing indices though, since we've spent several years forming fleets to fire missiles at structures for several hours which gains us nothing on an individual level. Now we can rat and mine (which many of us choose to do in our spare time anyway) with a full fleet support and a good bit of banter while knowing that it's helping keep our space defended.

No it wasn't, it was to support people using caps to escalate without every battle ending in someone dogpiling the fleet from afar. A supercap pilot in catch shouldn't be worried about a whole fleet jumping across the map from Branch when he chooses to use his ship. "coming togetherness" will always be a desirable factor in MMOs, it's one of the main draws especially in one as socially driven as EVE.

There's no transition, that's just wishful thinking on your part. The new system makes it even better to form into a mega-coalition than it was before, since any serious groups deploying against one another will be more vulnerable to small groups. While they can get their space back with ease from the smaller groups, it's healthier not to lose it, so non-invasion pacts are preferable at a minimum. With systems now supporting more players, mega-coalitions can be even more tightly grouped, and with staggered timers can ensure the most availability for neighboring alliances to assist where needed.

I doubt CCP even wants to get rid of mega-coalitions to be honest. Consider how much of the game is based around things the mega-coalitions do. I doubt CCP want to get rid of that. They simply want to make enough room for some of the smaller guys to join in a bit, which I'm fine with - if the mechanics are entertaining for all.

[quote=Lucas Kell] We're out there generating content for ourselves because the mechanics failed to do so. [quote]

I think thats the general idea.

They do not. They give players choices. And players use all the choices appropriately. Unfortunately for you, ceptors are the only way to cause you some headache.

Lol? You think game mechanics aren't there to encourage content? Those choices you have, they have risk reward balances with them and you'll tend to find the ones that reward the most are the ones with the most engagement with others. The problem with Aegis is that it's a bit backwards, the best choice in many cases is evasion and reduced interaction.

Wrong. They're not even the best way to give me some headache. People using them will eventually figure out they do very little and be back here whining for new ways to annoy us. It's a shame CCP don't just work from the feedback they're getting right now telling them it's the case before too many pilots burn out from trollceptoring.