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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1081 - 2015-08-24 19:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Clockwork Pinapples, not just Groon. You had around 400-500 people on paper back then, Noway was never well above 400. Or do you really want to compare active players? In this case, the statistics show the same pattern: We against the rest. I also do not see why people should welp a not properly set up fleet into a hard counter outside our station when they had at least one PSYCHO cyno with them and their caps on standby. There are welps when fight go wrong and then there are welps which only stupid FCs start for no reason because they want to undock and then complain about losses. I rather enjoyed being mostly in the first camp with Noway. So, could you please stop trying to use numbers to salvage whatever you have of your points?
We were not booted out. We left on our own terms after Phoebe (for whatever reason, I still don't get why we went for Uemon and Etherium. I think finding fights was the goal, but finding fights in Sov Null except for Provi was back then and still is a contradiction in itself. vOv) and then basically folded as corps left for other alliances. If we had made us immune by collecting more blue friends, we would have just dried out that pond even further than what CFC and other entities there already had drained due to their presence, and would have had no activity at all. We maintained our opponents like a little zoo that sometimes went out of hand and created very nice fights. We never intended to create a comfort zone, we never tried to blue up Syndicate to be safe. This was never our plan and the then and now CFC is the best example why we did not do that. So, please stop trying to compare us to CFC. It is a disgusting insult.

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Kystraz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1082 - 2015-08-24 20:37:53 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Elsewhere in the universe, people do not have the problems that you have. Elsewhere, people already have the conflicts that you need to search far away from home. Go figure. vOv


Rivr Luzade wrote:
I think finding fights was the goal, but finding fights in Sov Null except for Provi was back then and still is a contradiction in itself.


What.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1083 - 2015-08-24 20:56:22 UTC
Kystraz wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Elsewhere in the universe, people do not have the problems that you have. Elsewhere, people already have the conflicts that you need to search far away from home. Go figure. vOv


Rivr Luzade wrote:
I think finding fights was the goal, but finding fights in Sov Null except for Provi was back then and still is a contradiction in itself.


What.

What do you mean? I am talking about conflicts, not fights in the first quote. Now we here in Catch have activity and some kind of conflict sparked by ELs. We have bigger battles here and there but most of the time the ratters in whatever area just dock up (naturally) and throw some ridiculous fleet at you that's suitable for invading a region, not for creating fights. Or places that Triumvirate talked about a couple of pages prior, they also have battles, but nothing for the size of Noway back then.
The second quote also relates to back then. Not now. Back when Dominion was still in place. Noway wanted to find fights as an outsider, a third party thing in an area that didn't need third parties as small as we were back then. There was nothing to do or what was there was too big for us. Nowadays, most of Sov Null sec is still empty, you roam around empty systems and have very little to do.

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Terraj Oknatis
Project Sanctuary
#1084 - 2015-08-24 20:59:13 UTC
Here is an idea... Entosis link is now a cruiser + size module. Shocked
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1085 - 2015-08-24 23:54:03 UTC
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1086 - 2015-08-25 01:12:41 UTC
Terraj Oknatis wrote:
Here is an idea... Entosis link is now a cruiser + size module. Shocked

It already is when you talk actual sov contest and not just grabbing uncontested sov against a bunch of holed up bears.

Warmeister wrote:
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.

Well it's not like they haven't been warned that trollceptors are as good in sov contest as battle badgers against a HAC fleet.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1087 - 2015-08-25 03:37:47 UTC
/thread

We have an off topic post about Groon/A Clockwork Pinapple.
Another post about restricting what ships the entosis link can be on.
A post stating the obvious.

Nothing new is being presented.

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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1088 - 2015-08-25 04:36:42 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
/thread

We have an off topic post about Groon/A Clockwork Pinapple.
Another post about restricting what ships the entosis link can be on.
A post stating the obvious.

Nothing new is being presented.

But there are still no big fights in fozziesov.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1089 - 2015-08-25 05:11:57 UTC
SFM Hobb3s wrote:
Gewns telling other people to grow backbones. Just sayin'....


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Kystraz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1090 - 2015-08-25 05:17:01 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
/thread

We have an off topic post about Groon/A Clockwork Pinapple.
Another post about restricting what ships the entosis link can be on.
A post stating the obvious.

Nothing new is being presented.

But there are still no big fights in fozziesov.


That has nothing to do with solo interceptor v. solo griffin being not enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#1091 - 2015-08-25 05:39:26 UTC
Kystraz wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
/thread

We have an off topic post about Groon/A Clockwork Pinapple.
Another post about restricting what ships the entosis link can be on.
A post stating the obvious.

Nothing new is being presented.

But there are still no big fights in fozziesov.


That has nothing to do with solo interceptor v. solo griffin being not enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved.

Neither is a super-coalition steamrolling all over a region creating 94 timers in one night, especially not when you take into consideration that soon enough a lot of your assets will be in a destructible structures.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1092 - 2015-08-25 07:13:44 UTC
Warmeister wrote:
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.



Yeah, it doesn't look like trollceptors taking sov to me. They are a tactical element to probe weakness, but yeah....so much for steamrollering it with interceptors.

Provi also holding better than many expected though worse than I had hoped to see, but...if you can't hold grid you cant hold grid.

Was I completely wrong? I dunno, feels like I was in the middle with my expectation/prediction - more space is falling than expected but with the methods I expected.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1093 - 2015-08-25 07:17:28 UTC
Kystraz wrote:
That has nothing to do with solo interceptor v. solo griffin being not enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved.


Solo interceptor is a roamer, not a sov contest fleet, thus having NOTHING to do with goals or fozziesov itself.
Please clarify what are you crying about: Roamers, or the fact you now have to react on a mighty 90 dps threat who just tackled itself on your station?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1094 - 2015-08-25 07:54:21 UTC
Warmeister wrote:
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.

Is there a link that doesn't just load a black page?

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Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1095 - 2015-08-25 08:00:26 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Warmeister wrote:
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.



Yeah, it doesn't look like trollceptors taking sov to me. They are a tactical element to probe weakness, but yeah....so much for steamrollering it with interceptors.

Provi also holding better than many expected though worse than I had hoped to see, but...if you can't hold grid you cant hold grid.

Was I completely wrong? I dunno, feels like I was in the middle with my expectation/prediction - more space is falling than expected but with the methods I expected.
When was the plan ever to steamroll with interceptors? WTF have you guys been smoking? We've been stating over and over that interceptors demand a response yet can't take sov solo. The problem is that the vast majority of "attacks" in null are now just one guy in an interceptor running away. That doesn't mean that when we actually attack region with the intention of actually finishing the timers that we are going to do so in interceptors, lol.

The biggest thing provi have going for them is their high ADM meaning some of the windows are pretty small and the initial assault takes a bit of time. 38% of the regions timers in one night though isn't bad going.

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Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1096 - 2015-08-25 08:05:42 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Warmeister wrote:
so looks like cfc have failed miserably at their goal of taking provi and not giving any fights

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=3712&b=6650907&e=210&t=ApoJlmWcakacaIaaG&r=1

once again this proves that troll ceptors alone don't work.

Is there a link that doesn't just load a black page?


just copy paste it, the forum has converted URL to rubbish for some reason. the face of it is ok though
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1097 - 2015-08-25 08:07:12 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
When was the plan ever to steamroll with interceptors? WTF have you guys been smoking? We've been stating over and over that interceptors demand a response yet can't take sov solo. The problem is that the vast majority of "attacks" in null are now just one guy in an interceptor running away. That doesn't mean that when we actually attack region with the intention of actually finishing the timers that we are going to do so in interceptors, lol.

The biggest thing provi have going for them is their high ADM meaning some of the windows are pretty small and the initial assault takes a bit of time. 38% of the regions timers in one night though isn't bad going.

it's amazing how the tune is changing after one night :D
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1098 - 2015-08-25 08:10:42 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
When was the plan ever to steamroll with interceptors? WTF have you guys been smoking?

We've been smoking your posts that openly stated gewnies were going to demosntrate that trollceptor is broken by using it.
Don't bother denying, we all heard you and other cryers.

Lucas Kell wrote:
We've been stating over and over that interceptors demand a response yet can't take sov solo.

What a turnadround! You've been stating exactly the opposite all along.
Was it one night that made you pull backward?

Lucas Kell wrote:
The problem is that the vast majority of "attacks" in null are now just one guy in an interceptor running away.

Citation needed - which is a gewn equivalent of "that's bs".

Lucas Kell wrote:
That doesn't mean that when we actually attack region with the intention of actually finishing the timers that we are going to do so in interceptors, lol.

It's funny cuz it what you said you're going to do.

Lucas Kell wrote:
The biggest thing provi have going for them is their high ADM meaning some of the windows are pretty small and the initial assault takes a bit of time. 38% of the regions timers in one night though isn't bad going.


interceptors are:
a) not majority
b) not a sov attack
If you are crying about self-tackling solo roamer, you're the biggotest carebear ever.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1099 - 2015-08-25 08:38:39 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Kystraz wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
/thread

We have an off topic post about Groon/A Clockwork Pinapple.
Another post about restricting what ships the entosis link can be on.
A post stating the obvious.

Nothing new is being presented.

But there are still no big fights in fozziesov.


That has nothing to do with solo interceptor v. solo griffin being not enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved.

Neither is a super-coalition steamrolling all over a region creating 94 timers in one night, especially not when you take into consideration that soon enough a lot of your assets will be in a destructible structures.

Sadly though. That is exactly the game CCP is designing.



My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Kystraz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1100 - 2015-08-25 08:40:55 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Kystraz wrote:
That has nothing to do with solo interceptor v. solo griffin being not enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved.


Solo interceptor is a roamer, not a sov contest fleet, thus having NOTHING to do with goals or fozziesov itself.
Please clarify what are you crying about: Roamers, or the fact you now have to react on a mighty 90 dps threat who just tackled itself on your station?


It has an entosis module and is participating in aegis sov mechanics in a way that is not "enjoyable and fascinating for all players involved".