Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please show me your 'doctrine' that does over 4kms. You meant a swarm of **** fit trollcepters/other frigs, didn't you? :D

Thanks, I was trying to come across reasonable and not too grr gewn, hat gewn. At the end of the day, I want what any reasonable person wants... an active, healthy null environment. We just have different opinions on how to get there.

of course it would be nice to see player numbers quadruple over night. but that would not be a realistic expectation. dominion sov has been in place for six years. aegis not even six weeks. give it some time...

Troll-ceptor argument (generally) vindicated = Check

Also, very awesome idea for eliminating Defender Entosis maintenance.

Concerned about reference to ship limitations on Entosis Link, sounds like Capital Ship discrimination in the making :tinfoil:

With the way player subscription numbers are dropping, we're more likely to see 1/4 of the old player base before we see 4x the old player base.

But I guess Fozzie wants a smaller player base for his smaller fights.

Can you make it so big fat ships capture nodes more quickly and small ships capture at a slower pace? ; Could that be the balance implemented so a quick cap has inheriently more risk and a cap by non-threatening small ships takes longer?


Maybe let ships be supported while entosising and allow select escalations. Even small entities have access to fat ships, even if they don't have bodies to fill hundreds. my concern is escalating loses its rhyme and reason; but if one attack had fat ships and was higher priority it might allow eve to retain that property.

At its root; the current state of the system implemented in theory would break up large fleets into smaller wings requiring many fc's or many chickens running around without heads. But that to me does not translate into the small gang conflicts and pvp that most players enjoy. The infrastructure alliances and corps small and large have built over the years typically supports large fleets with a hand full of individuals pulling the strings and using many ships as an extension of their mind as to be a general at war.

I understand that in theory smaller entities are supposed to claim a single plot in null and have odds of keeping it - but I don't know how much that will actually happen. For instance in my alliance there is many many fresh bodies who can act and react to the stimulous of an attack - as part of a numbers game. it is also well divded into various land parcels by corp which can make things easier and the SIG structure allows many operations to occur simultaneously throughout eve with enough bodies in the corporation home systems to react to stimulous.

Rather I don't see entosis as a threat; the preparation months prior and continued direction of my alliance makes any sov a non issue. On the other hand I could imagine the less than recent provi-bloc conflicts would have eneded very differently under entosis based gameplay in favor of Brave - which is interesting to think about in that fight on the other end of EVE.

I also think; someone with an idea; a method, an ambition who can rouse troops can start an entitity and make an impact under entosis. A large upstart could turn into an empire now more than ever; but they won't rest on their laurels; they will fight tooth and nail to keep it.. ( That is an interesting Idea and why sov changes can be healthy for the game )

But who wants to hire Black legion or Pandemic Legion frigates?

I am looking forward to a balance in the game and hope ccp can find one where escalations exist, new upstarts have a chance to fulfill their dreams and EVE players, who are all susceptible to burnout (due to the most inherently passive game ever) will be able to continue playing without growing disdain.

I don't claim my ideas or feelings reflect anyone elses thoughts other than my own theories. People dislike the current state of affairs for differing reasons; people have different observations and visions of where the game should be. My observations come from a series of changes over the summer and not just from the most recent implementation.

From a sound business standpoint you'd want new people paying subs and having fun, not old, mostly offline players, drowning in ISK and in their own tears.

I don't think you realize that every sub is money in CCP's pockets be it $15 a month or buying a plex on the market since someone had to pay CCP for that plex.

I think what you've missed is that in each iteration, there were two bars to pass.

One was the mechanical. As you stated, you couldn't take down a tower with an Interceptor.

The other though, was the defence. You also needed enough ships to take down the sov holder.

Sov has just lowered the mechanical bar - it hasn't touched the defence. For all the whining about absentee attackers, it doesn't get pointed out enough that Aegis has removed the opposite: absentee defenders no longer require a Dread fleet investment to take down some arbitrary millions of HP.

troll ceptors aren't the real issue.
the real issue is that alliances still own empty space.

if each system the alliance owns actually had someone there for the duration of the vuln. window, then nobody would try and troll in a ceptor.

not ccp's fault that people choose not to actually live in the systems they own.