EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

The only issue I have with a rematch is that it exposes another one of both teams doctrines and may leave one or both of the teams short when they fight just a couple of hours later, giving them limited choices against any bans that occur in the later fight against us.

That seems overly harsh on Gone Critical, who abided by the rules and don't deserve to be subject to a second fight for round one. If they lose the fight, they will end up right where they are now, but potentially without a doctrine they might otherwise be able to use.

At the end of the day, it's the team's responsibility to abide by the rules of the tournament. Even in the case where a referee misses something, that is only there as a check of everything. It's still up to the teams to play according to the rules. So I think it's a bit harsh on Gone Critical to almost penalise them for doing the right thing, while allowing Together We Solo the opportunity to get away rewarded for their breach of the rules.

I also would like to see this ruling reversed. The match would have gone very differently had the warp-ins been legal, there shouldn't be any leniency towards breaking the rules - intentional or not. The AT is meant to A) Provide an event for the Eve community, B) Provide an opportunity for groups to put their best forwards to fight under 'fair / equal' conditions to determine the better team in each match, C) Showcase Eve as an MMO with a competitive, innovative player base to attract future players.

This decision insults A & B and shows Eve in a poor light.

You cant possibly be serious about this and let that rule breaking go unpunished. Even if the rule breaking team had lost. a what-if is not needed here - a violation of rules needs to be sanctioned. Referee mistakes can happen but you have to fix it afterwards or nobody will take the rules serious anymore.

really bad start for ATXIII

The level of childishness in this thread makes me all giddy. "Well now you gave PL the permission to drop their super fleet." No they didn't. "Now people can use 6% implants." No they can't. "Now you can drop a triage archon there." No you can't. One referee missed a call, that's that. In what sports a bad referee call leads to changing the rules? That's just dumb talk out of your ass.

I'd like to see a world cup soccer game re-played because the referee did a minor mistake. I'd like to see olympics ice hockey game result declared invalid because referee didn't notice a bad substitution at some point.

But please go on making yourselves look silly; your tears keep the rest of us fueled.

It's a nonsense ruling but we're not going to get CCP to change their mind, and they shouldn't just because people don't like it.

What should happen now though is that some kind of penalty should still be applied to Together We Solo, like a 10 point penalty for their next match. The referees should have spotted it but them not doesn't mean TWS should get away with it without consequence.

Simply fixed. The match would be a do-over.
Same ships same team members - Just placed on the field at the right start positions.

In fact if either team are given the option to use another doctrine it could bias the outcome.
If Gone Critical was going to win with the doctrine they chose, they have that same chance in a rematch.

CCP made a bad call here. The tournament has rules, they need to be adhered to or the whole competition becomes a farce.

Very bad call. Whether it was on purpose or not, it was a clear breach of rules.

It's not only that Gone Critical lost a match, they also lost 10 skins and their flagship.

At least a rematch (same comps) is due, I actually even think that Together We Solo deserves a forfeit loss as it seems like they did not inform CCP of their "mistake" before the match had started and were taking advantage from it.

With the double elimination system there is already enough room for second chances, as there will always be a losers bracket. So I do not see a single reason to be "nice" to rulebreakes.

Poor form. Here's to hoping this decision gets reversed.

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CCP have the ability to refund a ship that is lost due to server outages or other events out of player control.
Pretty sure they could spawn the ships that were lost during the original fight.

In fact it would be better if CCP spawned all ships involved on grid, so the respective pilot warps to it in his or her pod and boards it.
This removes the chance of someone refitting a ship with knowledge from the previous fight of what they are facing. This is Eve, if you know exactly what you are facing in a coming fight, you fit to counter it.