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AT XIII RULING: Together We Solo vs Gone Critical - Team Warp-in

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#41 - 2015-08-16 00:18:42 UTC
This isn't surprising.

Neither that Together We Solo ignored the rules, nor that CCP's chosen referee was paying no attention, and certainly not that CCP themselves choose to throw the rules out for this 'one time' occurrence.

I'm curious to see what other rules get broken during the AT this year, and which ones CCP will decide require no action when they are. Perhaps this is an indicator that these rules will be removed from next year's contest, since they are obviously irrelevant.

General Vachot
The Vendunari
End of Life
#42 - 2015-08-16 00:23:51 UTC
Given we play one of these two teams next match I'd like to know sooner rather than later if CCP is going to stick with this call or not as it changes our approach and I am sure the approach by the other two teams to the next match around meta etc.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#43 - 2015-08-16 00:30:50 UTC
So we don't have to follow the rules anymore CCP?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Inglor Telemnar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2015-08-16 00:55:55 UTC
BAD CALL CCP, VERY BAD CALL. Evil
Danmal
TYR.
Exodus.
#45 - 2015-08-16 01:21:57 UTC
CCP Logibro wrote:
Hey Guys

In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.

In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.

After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.


This is not just unfortunate. I would go as far as to say that this has got to be a joke. The reason is that even after "review and discussion" the tournament team does not have a plausible counterfactual how the game would have unfolded had they not made the mistake. Perhaps Gone Critical would have flown altogether differently had they been closer to begin with. As a pilot in the AT, I hope this decision gets reversed.
Helo Dhals
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-08-16 01:26:42 UTC
A rule without enforcement is just a request. This is a joke.
Daide Vondrichnov
French Drop-O-Panache
Snuffed Out
#47 - 2015-08-16 01:36:12 UTC
Can i bring my bastion CCP ?
Jureka
The Congregation
No Handlebars.
#48 - 2015-08-16 01:55:21 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
You need to replay matches like this and build some time into the schedule to allow for it.

^ this
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-08-16 02:07:43 UTC
Is the real CCP still on holiday?
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-08-16 02:23:19 UTC
So the refs also work for Fifa

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three

TimNeilson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#51 - 2015-08-16 02:25:03 UTC
This is a bad decision and you should feel bad about it.
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-08-16 02:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
CCP Logibro wrote:
Hey Guys

In match 14 between Together We Solo and Gone Critical, the Together We Solo team warped onto the field at 100km. The rules state that teams must warp in at a maximum of 50km.

In this case, the breach in the rules was not picked up by the referee, and the match played out with the Together We Solo team winning the match.

After review and discussion by the tournament team, we have decided to let the result of the match stand. We now have plans in place to improve the check for this in the tournament referee tools by the second weekend of play at latest.


I suspect that there is more to this than meets the eye and you guys just aren't ready to discuss it yet publicly for whatever reason.
The reason I suspect this is because on the surface it looks like such an obviously poor decision that I can't believe a call this bad would be made by CCP.

Will wait and see if there is more...
Topher Basquette Dusch-shur
Montana Freedom Fighters
#53 - 2015-08-16 03:05:43 UTC
I was on the fence about continuing my sub, so thanks. Now I have more important info about CCP.
Gabriel Esq
Jotunn's Hammer
The Network.
#54 - 2015-08-16 03:30:28 UTC
****, I already made plans for tomorrow
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2015-08-16 04:50:01 UTC
Would really like to see this become a rematch as the first match on Sunday. Push all of the other matches back 15 minutes and let this play out.

Wont take any extra time and some matches are typically shorter then others the time can be made up later in the day. As a commentator on Alliance Tournament 10 I know the stress you guys are under to keep things running smoothly while trying to kitten herd the teams.

Look forward to seeing the matches tomorrow. I will be commentating them on Stream with Elise Randolph was going to do it today but I kinda overslept xD.
Vendrin
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#56 - 2015-08-16 04:53:37 UTC
Really dissapointing CCP. Wrong call and shortsighted
Garnt TheBrobarian
Whole Squid
#57 - 2015-08-16 05:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Garnt TheBrobarian
I was under the impression that CCP was trying to get serious about e-sports. Have you given up on that? This ruling seems to suggest so.
vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-08-16 05:46:57 UTC
Any other real world or gaming tournament would of had a different ruling. Rules are put in writing before any matches.... There is no excuse for not following the rules, and the team should of been reprimanded for this. Regardless of who wins the tournament, at this point we should question every future result, as the rightful teams that deserve to be there will not. My opinion is that the tournament is illegitimate.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#59 - 2015-08-16 05:48:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I'll also join the core of people who think this is the wrong decision.

Are we all able to warp in at 100km now, or break the rules some other way as long as it isn't picked up? Can we use drugs for example and maybe get away with it?

To be fair on the tournament and Gone Critical, I think this decision should be reversed.

Either Together We Solo are declared the losers of the match for a rules breach, which in high probability did affect the outcome, or as with some other past rules breaches, they are disqualified from the tournament.

As it currently stands:

Together We Solo: Cheated, 1 win, one set of SKINs, in the winners bracket currently and still require 2 losses before elimination.

Gone Critical: Played by the rules, 1 loss, no SKINs despite playing by the rules against a cheating opponent, 1 loss away from elimination.

That sort of stinks.
Lincoln Fleet
Rokafeller Umbrella Corporation
#60 - 2015-08-16 05:51:01 UTC
Well CCP has confirmed that no rules will be enforced in this tournament.
Teams should feel free to ignore any of the tournament's "officially posted suggestions" since CCP no longer has any right to stop or punish players for doing so, except for the poisonous "it's our game" trump card.

Want to bring 10 battleships? Go right on ahead. Hell, why not make them 10 of the same battleship? Even better, bling them out and bring an expensive clone. Three logi? Sounds great! CCP has willingly disregarded CLEAR and DIRECT violations of the tournament rules which they themselves created. Attempting to enforce them now immediately invalidates any conclusion of the tournament, so it's open season!!!

Good hunting, ladies and gents. May the best cheaters... not really win... gloat?