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Why all the hate on sov ?
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solrac lara
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-13 22:30:15 UTC
I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.

Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-08-13 22:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.

Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3 - 2015-08-13 22:32:34 UTC
The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."

This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Takoma Panala
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-08-13 22:55:40 UTC
Not arguing about the pros and cons of the new sov, but this fits every patch:

https://xkcd.com/1172/
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-08-13 23:01:02 UTC
Quote:
FOZZIE KILLED EVE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE


Roll
Panthe3 Black
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-13 23:17:16 UTC
funny to read posted from dudes who dont even sov.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#7 - 2015-08-14 00:24:32 UTC
solrac lara wrote:
I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.

Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious

  • Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
  • Wands take longer
  • Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
  • There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
  • 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
  • Whack-a-mole SOV
  • AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.


It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz"

Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Janeos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-08-14 00:27:27 UTC
They made holding sov more annoying than before without making defending it any more engaging or living in it more rewarding.

Sov went from being capital ships roving the galaxy to a Benny Hill finale chase scene. It's funny, the first time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2015-08-14 00:41:44 UTC
This is obviously honeypot/tearpot thread. It's always the case when "newbies" just happen to ask about the biggest thing that has had massive threads on it

Also, moa endorses the sov system.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-08-14 03:37:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."

This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.


It applies to EVERYTHING in EVE.
Scalding Holland
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-08-14 03:43:43 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.

Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.


Please show me a sov holding group that likes the new changes.
Scalding Holland
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-08-14 03:44:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."

This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.


POS sov wars are far better than what we have now. Majority of 0.0 would return to a simplified pos sov system.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2015-08-14 04:52:51 UTC
I got bored of orbiting a beacon for points in about 2 nights of FW, and I didn't even have to fit a loltosis mod. how that mechanic became the sov mechanic o.O

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-08-14 14:38:42 UTC
Lazy fat vets unwilling to do what they are suppose to do in the sandbox, create their own content.

They have put so many walls in place to protect their stuff and now they blame CCP for no one wanting to try and take it.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2015-08-14 16:42:49 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ...
You contradict yourself.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2015-08-14 17:16:41 UTC
>>>Sov thread detection system has found active sov thread<<<

>>>Narwhal education protocols activated<<<

>>>Executing Narwhal educational materials search..... done<<<

>>>Deploying link<<<

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/narwhal/

>>>Link deployment successful<<<

>>>Returning to active forum scan<<<

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2015-08-14 17:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Sov thread detection system
So.... you have STDs?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2015-08-14 17:22:48 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Sov thread detection system
So.... you have STDs?



Technically the forum has STDS. I am simply the one who deployed it here.

...wait.. that sounded.... nah. It's a good acronym and we stand by our product.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-08-14 17:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Think about it like this:

Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Now this is a video game online, it's a game on the internet. The internet is a refuge for failures who couldn't make it IRL so they turn to the isolation from consequence of the internet to try and establish themselves.

These below average intelligence aren't very good at thinking, hence their label. They can't figure out how to play the game, so they just baahhhhh bahhhhh bahhhh whatever it was the sheep before them bawwweed.

Hating on Sov is essentially a giant neon sign above your wooly head that states: "I'm a stupid sheep unable to figure things out on my own".

This game is awesome.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#20 - 2015-08-14 18:12:17 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
solrac lara wrote:
I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.

Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious

  • Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
  • Wands take longer
  • Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
  • There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
  • 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
  • Whack-a-mole SOV
  • AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.


It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz"

Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.


Pretty much all of this, especially the part about not being able to affect the process via fitting changes. In the old system you could lessen the time it took to reinforce something or repair your own something.. With this new system, the ONLY thing you can do is make it more mind-numbingly painful for the other guy.

My very 1st post in the announcement thread about this new sov system warned that CCP has a history of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" ie over-reacting to perceived ill by over-engineering the "fixes". They did this with jump changes (jump fatigue PLUS crippling jump range when one or the other would have worked fine without being suffocating) and with many other things over the course of EVE's life.

Well, it's happened again, CCP didn't look at any of the GOOD features of the previous systems , they just wiped it all clean and replaced it with a convoluted system that basically gets ignored except that FCs bring one or 2 entosis guys to 'tickle' the enemy into a fight, which generally doesn't even work.
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