Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Normally I'd be the first to hold up the "htfu," sign... but this is so godawfully benign. Giving newbies 1mil sp to start with and a leveling of the attribute playing field? What the heck is this fuss about?

I'll comment by linking a comment I made earlier.
Wasn't any discussion on it, as it was the last comment of a page and those rarely get looked at.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5920852#post5920852

To expand my previous idea from a few pages ago:

If the opportunity system offered specific training options and rewarded players with SP, the "barrier" will be very effectively eliminated while at the same time actually teaching new players how to do stuff. SP rewards in this system would be a much better payout compared to ISK or modules or ships.

Assuming every opportunity was completed, CCP could design a list of the skills that would be trained to a minimum to allow a pilot to fly all of their races... (FILL IN THE BLANK).

This could also be a good opportunity for the player-base, CSM and CCP to determine what really is a necessary minimum to encourage new players to stick around.

But the key things now become when you unlock 2M sp.. so noobs need that....

Well now its 3M sp. etc.

I was doing useful things with my last alt after 3 Hours! i even got my first PVP kill. Just because you don't want to undock in anything less than a gila or something does not make it mandatory skills.

I see your slippery slope and raise you a "what can you do with 100k sp that isn't a career mission?"

Fit an ewar mod and go join pandemic horde, karmafleet, brave, or dreddit? Sure, but newbs outside of this circle-jerk community don't know about that. They're going to be quasi-solo a couple days at beast. The idea that it's people waiting for faction ships to undock just shows how far removed you are from the NPE.

Go, right now, make a char, and finish the career agents. It should take you no more than a few hours. Then undock and go find some content. Report back here what your findings were. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I want to see some effort not just hurf.

No, my assumption is quite the contrary. I expect them to not know anything. However, being social and communicative is the maxim these days. I do not see any reason why we should not expect the same from new players in the game. There are loads of more experienced people. They can tell new players a thing or two in the various existing channels. It might not be 3 hours until a completely new player has grasped what Delt0r has done and until they can actually be as useful as him, but they learn a lot in these hours and days, they also teach themselves a lot in that time.

Expecting to "just do" stuff with absolutely no experience, both in terms of SP and PS, is an approach to this game that leads to threads like this or this. The first putting wrong approaches as basis for "improvements", the other displaying lack of knowledge about core game mechanics, inner workings and drive of people and tools to demand things that have no place in the game. Without experience, one ought not to "just do" things. If a new player cannot grasp that because they are used to it from other meaningless games, I have highly elevated doubts that they can ever understand it.

But as we've already agreed on alleviating the burden of new players and give them certain levels of skills to soften that harsh introduction, it is futile to continue bringing it up again and again. vOv

With regards to your "Inject Skill to fly ship/use module idea"; do you really think that this added layer of inconsistency with other skills is beneficial? New players cannot even grasp basic skill training principles of EVE, now they even need to learn which skills they can just inject to fly a ship/use a mod and which not. On the other hand, rigs have set a precedent for it...


It took me several days to finish the career agents and the adjacent SOE Epic arc. After that, I could fly cruisers (and realized how bad I am with cruisers) and had loads to do during all that time. I do not know what people mean when they talk about "sitting around idly" in station.
Also, just today I noticed again how interesting ganking in High sec can be and, more importantly, how rewarding it probably is. Looting these Talos and Brutix wrecks in Uedama or the likes should give new players a lot of money to temper with and also some (occasional) action spikes.

More obvious about what? I despise rush players. Deal with it.

On a less ridiculing note: Why should I have rushed through content? I flew around a lot, saw a lot of other players, even came in contact with some of them, had some nice chats, got help and moved on to the next experience and eventually found a corp to do stuff with, fail with, move on with and so on. I even had my first PVP and pirate encounter in Mai back then when I tried to fly a mission there. Helpful as they were back then, they did not kill me, but rather filled me in about what Low sec is about, who lives here and there, what they do, what I should expect next time and so on. Until a year ago (maybe even 2), I had a very nice and eventful progression. After that, I reached a point where the fountain of knowledge of things I want to know started to dry up. EVE has become a lot less eventful since then. Back then space also felt larger, more intimidating (I remember my first trip to Providence, right into a war zone back then. From the already known Domain region in which I spent most of my time, Providence and the huge border gate were towering above me.) Ever since I have never had the same experience again, everything in EVE has gotten smaller, familiar, less exciting. Thus, why should I have rushed through all the content that is there in a matter of hours or days when I have had so much fun for months and years?

Each their own, naturally, but if you rush through the game and then realize you hit a ferroconcrete wall that you cannot overcome way too early, what's gained from the rush

Actually, it has nothing to do with you rushing through content. Your timeline is way off. A few days training time won't get you a passable cruiser, certainly not one ready to roll SOE. Anyone with thirty seconds to spare on a blank character evemon template can verify how hilariously off-base you are.



And they're the lucky ones.

Rivr pls. You clearly haven't done this. Your timetable is way off and you can't even correctly name the antagonist in the SOE arc.


What smaller stuff?

Again, you're clearly lying and hand-waiving.

Ok ok.. Let's get off the topic of questioning each other.

I personally don't care what skills they give new bros.
My main issue is with the training they receive. They shouldn't have to be so reliant on experienced players just to learn the very basics of Eve.