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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-08-02 05:25:21 UTC
I agree that the actions of the PC's bumping the Empresses ship should have lead to their (a) warning followed quickly by (b) waking up in a home station.

Tell me with a straight face that Concord would object to a head of state reacting to unwanted harassment. Warning, boom.

I class Live events into three categories.

1) Cut scene where you are a witness bu the end is already planned and set in stone. Battle where the Titan crashed into the planet.

2) Pinata events, dev roams with their hold full of gookies, most recent have been the conclusions of o7 shows, no story, just fun and games

3) Live events where the devs HAVE to react and think on their feet as the ending/results of the event are NOT set in stone. Players actions can and will effect the outcome.

I want the third type more often adn am willing for the devs to be allowed the powers to . . . how to say it . . . move props and use dev hacks to set the stage and make the story work in spite of interlopers who have no wish to be part of the lore, just to become the center of attention. Empress and Max? Gold. Bumping the Empresses ship, a waste of time and immersion breaking.

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Yockerbow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-08-02 07:13:26 UTC
Tyranis Marcus wrote:
Faction navies shoot people all the time with no concord response. It's part of the game design.


And people shoot faction navies all the time with no CONCORD response, though this is now not carried over into the current live events.

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I agree that the actions of the PC's bumping the Empresses ship should have lead to their (a) warning followed quickly by (b) waking up in a home station.

Tell me with a straight face that Concord would object to a head of state reacting to unwanted harassment. Warning, boom.


Not disagreeing with that a bit.
Matar Ronin
#23 - 2015-08-02 23:14:45 UTC
The real bottom line ...... CCP could not put up with the shenanigans from the ice holes they've coddled for years for even one hour!

While we the rate paying subscribers have to live with it constantly.

Way to go CCP! The word hypocrite comes to mind. Man up or stay out of the sandbox!

Next time there should be a no fly zone around any head of state, enter it at great an immediate peril from their escort, no need for extra devhax, just lock and boom!

Imperial jump bridge network? Sure why wouldn't all the empires have a way to protect themselves from internal threats.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-08-03 02:33:34 UTC
Aeon Amadii wrote:
I really don't see much point. Players that aren't invested in the Lore or care about the progression of story arcs are just going to turn it into a giant debacle for the sake of it. You'll always have players trying to bump titans or firing on key story characters with no real reason or drive other than to... well, essentially troll the community that does care about those sort of things.

I'd personally take the live cut-scenes than to see something along the lines of Empress Jamyl undocking in her Titan and then we all get to spend five hours waiting for her to align the damn thing just move things along. Realistically speaking, the Amarr Navy would likely just blast the offending party into oblivion and the next thing you know you have a whole Capsuleer vs Amarr Navy version of B-R going down because of a freaggin keelaying ceremony.

Sandbox? Sure. Interesting? Maybe. Immersion breaking? Incredibly.


Agreed.

I mean the event itself was rather...... meaningless to me until someone from the PIE/CVA fleets began transcribing the NPC speech simply because there was a rather ridiculous amount of nonsense being evacuated into the local chat. Now if the event had been delayed by minutes or hours by every bump or ineffectual burst of autocannon fire I don't believe anyone would gained anything from the event.

Call it a cut-scene if you wish but the fact that this was an event CCP took the time to organise, plan, and sit through despite all of the shenanigans is definitely better than none for fear the player base will sabotage every subsequent event ruining all attempts at players trying to enjoy a sense of immersion.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2015-08-03 16:48:07 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
The real bottom line ...... CCP could not put up with the shenanigans from the ice holes they've coddled for years for even one hour!

While we the rate paying subscribers have to live with it constantly.

Way to go CCP! The word hypocrite comes to mind. Man up or stay out of the sandbox!

Next time there should be a no fly zone around any head of state, enter it at great an immediate peril from their escort, no need for extra devhax, just lock and boom!

Imperial jump bridge network? Sure why wouldn't all the empires have a way to protect themselves from internal threats.




Lore wise, I think ALL factions already have jump bridge networks.

Think about the Norse in Templar One. In "Eve reality" that ship would have been caught in a bubble and destroyed in week 1, or would have taken months to travel from point A to B trying to avoid them. Yet that thing just went from Mordus HQ to Amamake repeatedly with no issues to travel and I'm reading that book wondering "why is this ship not instalokied and destroyed in 2 seconds like any other ship making repeated rounds between those areas?"

The answer is simple: they have their own jump network.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-08-17 01:09:33 UTC
My two bits on this older one? I agree on there needs to be no fly zones.

From a roleplayer perspective and based on my knowledge of the eve universe, This would best be performed from a CCP live events characters running as concord escort for dignitaries.

From a story perspective, this is simply that in empire space, there can be a certain level of restriction placed on capsuleer involvement in empire affairs outside of paid employment in militia. As result, militaries establish no fly zones around key ships to prevent militia from using non aligned capsuleers from performing terrorist operations, say 10km. The Dev NPC will give the warnings followed by flagging the character to said empire or as suspect if that is doable. Result is the NPC escort navies just destroy said ships. Get too close or bump our titan, get destroyed. If players make it bad, then make a full space warning. Is their empire, is their rules.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2015-08-31 02:23:43 UTC
Aeon Amadii wrote:

Sandbox? Sure. Interesting? Maybe. Immersion breaking? Incredibly.

Depends on who is fragging the titan. If the TLF fields a fleet to make a show of force against the Amarr, this would be a good target for said fleet, and wouldn't break immersion.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Satja Askariin
Adamantine Tactical Acquisitions
#28 - 2015-08-31 02:52:09 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Aeon Amadii wrote:

Sandbox? Sure. Interesting? Maybe. Immersion breaking? Incredibly.

Depends on who is fragging the titan. If the TLF fields a fleet to make a show of force against the Amarr, this would be a good target for said fleet, and wouldn't break immersion.


But then you wouldn't get any option of story progression through the event.....though would would get a pretty awesome fight.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#29 - 2015-08-31 05:46:44 UTC
Satja Askariin wrote:

But then you wouldn't get any option of story progression through the event.....though would would get a pretty awesome fight.


As mentioned, all you would get is a concord showing.
Since Event Actors are effectively 'players'
Ferrucio Surge
The Bag Cartel
#30 - 2015-09-13 05:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ferrucio Surge
Why don't they just have NPCs spawn to attack players who get too close to convoys or other key entities in space? Surely, if the Amarr Navy really cared about protecting the Empress, they would have deployed their own ships to kill interlopers. Just give them strong offfensive capabilities to quickly remove any unauthorized entities/capsuleers who get wiithin a certain range. And if the NPCs are killed, they not drop any loot, anything of value. Then they warp off after the threat is eliminated, or something. Also anyone who aggresses these important characters would also get standing hits for the relevant faction. Those are real consequences because, if your standing gets low enough, the local police will make your life in their space a little more difficult. More inconvenient. If I were the leader of a faction, and some capsuleers started messing with my people, I would definitely punish them in some fashion.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-09-13 08:14:06 UTC
Ferrucio Surge wrote:
Why don't they just have NPCs spawn to attack players who get too close to convoys or other key entities in space? Surely, if the Amarr Navy really cared about protecting the Empress, they would have deployed their own ships to kill interlopers. Just give them strong offfensive capabilities to quickly remove any unauthorized entities/capsuleers who get wiithin a certain range. And if the NPCs are killed, they not drop any loot, anything of value. Then they warp off after the threat is eliminated, or something. Also anyone who aggresses these important characters would also get standing hits for the relevant faction. Those are real consequences because, if your standing gets low enough, the local police will make your life in their space a little more difficult. More inconvenient. If I were the leader of a faction, and some capsuleers started messing with my people, I would definitely punish them in some fashion.

If in the plans was a real protection of Her Majesty then there would be here so.
Domain Fleet.
Not a single despondent Titan. Twisted

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00
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