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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-07-30 00:07:51 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Why in the seven hells are you putting tachs on a paladin?!

So he can play Tic Tach Toe. . . . i'll show myself out.

10/10 A+

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2015-07-30 00:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
If you want good isk/hr you'd be well served to use something that can hit at 120km. Scorch is great, but I'm gonna defer to people who actually have run loads of these as for which fitting is better.

they close pretty damn fast and scorch does the same damage out to 110km.
in close a pulse paladin does ~1250dps

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Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#43 - 2015-07-30 00:46:40 UTC
Just MJD

If you warp in at 0 iirc most things are within scorch range, and the few that aren't, you can just MJD out there to get them

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-07-30 00:59:33 UTC
^that too

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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#45 - 2015-07-30 06:18:59 UTC
Why using Tachs in C4s?
Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.

By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#46 - 2015-07-30 09:03:51 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
Why using Tachs in C4s?
Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.

By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.



Your fit doesn't have MJD. Do you carry the MJD in cargo hold with mobile depot? And is Frontier Barracks the only one you can do with a Tach Paladin? What about the other Anomalies?
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-07-30 09:12:55 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
Frontier Barracks takes 13-15 min in a Solo Paladin.

The performance from passive tanking ships are terrible.



How can this be? A passive Rattler can do 400 missile dps and 430 drone dps. Whereas a Paladin has to fit for cap stability to endure the neuting pressure so it's dps drops to 750 Tachyon dps and 90 hammerhead II dps.

So how can a Paladin solo C4s and a Rattlesnake cannot when both have roughly the same dps?


A well fitted C4 Pala do a way more than 750 DPS.
My Pala dose on:
Multi 1082 DPS 70+47 km
Gamma 992 DPS 87+47 km
Xray 902 DPS 104+47 km


Umm, can you send me your fit in game via mail please?


Tachyon Beams
Faction Heat Sinks
Locus II Rig
+5-6% implants

Where is the problem?


The Problems is that I've seen way to many Paladins on KBs fitted like these. When I bring my Paladin to do C4s, I want maximum tank and cap recharge cause gankers love those neuts.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#48 - 2015-07-30 09:17:17 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
Why using Tachs in C4s?
Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.

By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.



I was thinking to dual box 2 Pulse Paladins for C5s, but only after I've gotten good enough to solo C4s with just one. I'll talk to you in game Mixery82 about fittings, kay.
Forum Posts
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-07-30 11:49:36 UTC
I easily run most c4s in a no effect WH in an active rattle. Much better DPS, passive is aids. I refit for cap stability or dps/paint/omni as needed. C3 sites are arguably more isk/hr, but I think it's a toss up.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-07-30 12:42:36 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

This is just flat out incorrect.

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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-07-30 14:11:37 UTC
attention: weekly Tach vs Pulse discussion incoming.

/me grabs some popcorn. Lol

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-07-31 02:03:43 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

This is just flat out incorrect.


You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-07-31 03:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Daniela Doran wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

This is just flat out incorrect.

You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit?

I mean, if it's too hard to replace the tachs with pulses in whatever fitting software you have, not really sure if i can help you.
Look, sure, tachs do more damage to stationary targets at 100km. unfortunately, sleepers are not stationary and dont stay at 100km

The posted fit is also using a T2 damage rig which means the mid slots are not free for better mods than cap rechargers, meaning it cant fit a MJD and hits cruisers astonishingly badly (about half the applied DPS of pulses on up close cruisers).
I don't believe it's acceptable to not be able to have 3 TCs and a target painter in the mids of a paladin for this kind of thing. not T2 CCC rigging it also means you'll need a new one if you ever want to run C5s.

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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#54 - 2015-07-31 05:57:24 UTC
I dont want a Pulse Tach diskussion because I know for me the Tachs work better in C4s.

By the way I use the same Rig layout also for C5s. But to be honest the times when I did the sites solo are long gone and with 2 Palas you can fit much more gank than solo.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#55 - 2015-07-31 06:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Jack Miton wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

This is just flat out incorrect.

You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit?

I mean, if it's too hard to replace the tachs with pulses in whatever fitting software you have, not really sure if i can help you.
Look, sure, tachs do more damage to stationary targets at 100km. unfortunately, sleepers are not stationary and dont stay at 100km

The posted fit is also using a T2 damage rig which means the mid slots are not free for better mods than cap rechargers, meaning it cant fit a MJD and hits cruisers astonishingly badly (about half the applied DPS of pulses on up close cruisers).
I don't believe it's acceptable to not be able to have 3 TCs and a target painter in the mids of a paladin for this kind of thing. not T2 CCC rigging it also means you'll need a new one if you ever want to run C5s.


Well I do kinda see your point. I would definitely prefer to use T2 CCC rigs than another damage mod. When I get SiSi up and running, I'll just test both Pulse & Tachs out to see for myself which is more efficient.

But to the OP, I'd use 2 RR domis for C3s at first then later use a Passive Rattler. Wouldn't bother with C4 and above until you can fly Marauders. And of course Capitals for C5/C6s if you want to do it Jack's way.
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#56 - 2015-07-31 10:42:22 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!

This is just flat out incorrect.



Jacks the most pro carebare I ever met, you should listen to him really. the man Knows how to bear..
The Inquisitor
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2015-08-18 12:33:54 UTC
What about Golems?
Also i've always heard ye always get nailed with a Maradaur so ye should use passive tengu or Rattlesnake?

So how ye guys avoid the gank part? I'm not a vet WHoler but i'd imagine ye constantly watch d-scan, put eyes on exit wormhole? maybe only use sites with 1 exit?(1 from your own wormhole the other to the static in the same system).

Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).?
Viggo Konstanin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-08-18 14:53:09 UTC
The Inquisitor wrote:
Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).?



Tell your CEO you are in a 2B shltfit BS / Marauder and you are ratting.

CEO immediately logs all his alts and runs overwatch so you don't get ganked, and everyone gets to see how his corp is populated by rent boys and scrubs.

Rake in the isk.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-08-19 07:36:58 UTC
The Inquisitor wrote:
What about Golems?
Also i've always heard ye always get nailed with a Maradaur so ye should use passive tengu or Rattlesnake?

So how ye guys avoid the gank part? I'm not a vet WHoler but i'd imagine ye constantly watch d-scan, put eyes on exit wormhole? maybe only use sites with 1 exit?(1 from your own wormhole the other to the static in the same system).

Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).?


Safest is to close all your exits and not activate your statics... then watch for new sigs like a hawk...

Cant say ive ever done C4's but if a nag can position to hit sleepers im sure a paladin can with Tach's...

No Worries
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-08-19 07:42:33 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
Cant say ive ever done C4's but if a nag can position to hit sleepers im sure a paladin can with Tach's...

If you're talking about warping in at the spawn point, C4s don't work like that.

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