EVE General Discussion

Disclaimer: "This post is not asking for change of Mechanics nor proposing an Idea. Instead it is simply created for discussion and to sate my own personal curiosity on the demographics of things. If ISD wishes to lock it I hope sincerly for a detailed answer as to why, if ISD wishes to move it to a more appropiate thread region after it runs for a bit then that is ok as well."

Ok, Ore anoms being probe scan not required any more for quite awhile has me curious about the state of things in regards to each of the 4 region types: Highsec/Losec/Nullsec/W-space as they pertain to both Combat PvP, Mining, and Industry.

My questions:
1.) Would they have been better being left as scannable sites? (to include the new ice belts of highsec).

2.) As they stand now, not requiring probes; Are these sites actually better or worse in this format? why and what specifically?

3.) From a PvP stand point was it better/easier getting targets in the scannable anoms? or better in the no scanner required ones we have now?

4.) I am curious on the impact of both industry/mining and pvp (to include tactics, etc) of the way the anoms work now. How have they changed for better or worse the dynamics of gameplay in a given region type?

5.) Do they drive things better as a conflict driver? Or do they restrict gameplay?

6.) In highsec, why do people like player corps, or even CODE for that matter as an important example not visit them more often or fight over them? Are they really not that important? or has people just come to accept them or possibly gotten burned out trying to patrol Ore or Ice anoms?

7.) New players(relatively, meaning playing for a year or less), is not requiring a probe scanner for anoms in highsec actually beneficial to you? or does not doing so make things more boring?

8.) Has not requiring them to be probed down taken away job roles for doing so? And were those previous job roles tedious?

I could ask more questions, but what I am really after is "What is the pulse beat of other players that play this game in the perspective of Ore Anoms?", I am seriously curious what the average PvP'r or miner thinks about them in terms of overall gameplay and how they affect or do not affect the games dynamics(or meta-politics take your pick).
Personally, I think all anoms, to include the Ice in highsec should require probe scanners, if just for the sake of increasing player interaction in one way or another. Being scannable would not stop CODE from ganking in them, would not stop people in nullsec scanning them for bookmarks, etc.

So posters, what do you honestly think of them as they operate now these days if they affect you? If they do not affect you in anyway your welcome to say they dont affect you here, or if you have a comment about them feel free to speak up.
Negative/Postive, Pro/Con answers are welcome from all. I am just curious what the community at large thinks about them as of today?

My questions:
1.) Would they have been better being left as scannable sites? (to include the new ice belts of highsec).
Being that the sites were originally scan down that made it the challenge taking it away leaves it easier for gankers.
2.) As they stand now, not requiring probes; Are these sites actually better or worse in this format? why and what specifically?
As far as the sites specifically there the same .
3.) From a PvP stand point was it better/easier getting targets in the scannable anoms? or better in the no scanner required ones we have now?
Not pvp.
4.) I am curious on the impact of both industry/mining and pvp (to include tactics, etc) of the way the anoms work now. How have they changed for better or worse the dynamics of gameplay in a given region type?
Better/ worse- easier to find with NO skills
5.) Do they drive things better as a conflict driver? Or do they restrict gameplay?
It sucks
6.) In highsec, why do people like player corps, or even CODE for that matter as an important example not visit them more often or fight over them? Are they really not that important? or has people just come to accept them or possibly gotten burned out trying to patrol Ore or Ice anoms?
Just a bonus mine out something you know for sure
7.) New players(relatively, meaning playing for a year or less), is not requiring a probe scanner for anoms in highsec actually beneficial to you? or does not doing so make things more boring?
It is benficial since it requires NO skills and gives higher end ore.
8.) Has not requiring them to be probed down taken away job roles for doing so? And were those previous job roles tedious?
Yes it has taken away a job (scanner). Scanning is tedious but some think it as a challenge.
I could ask more questions, but what I am really after is "What is the pulse beat of other players that play this game in the perspective of Ore Anoms?", I am seriously curious what the average PvP'r or miner thinks about them in terms of overall gameplay and how they affect or do not affect the games dynamics(or meta-politics take your pick).
Personally, I think all anoms, to include the Ice in highsec should require probe scanners, if just for the sake of increasing player interaction in one way or another. Being scannable would not stop CODE from ganking in them, would not stop people in nullsec scanning them for bookmarks, etc.

So posters, what do you honestly think of them as they operate now these days if they affect you? If they do not affect you in anyway your welcome to say they dont affect you here, or if you have a comment about them feel free to speak up.
Negative/Postive, Pro/Con answers are welcome from all. I am just curious what the community at large thinks about them as of today?

Overall I think it sucks

CCP making them anoms was a smart move in a lot of ways. It added risk to the anoms themselves even though as probe results few used to mine them, in high they werent regular enough to warrant mining for the casual and for the hardcore didnt offer enough of a reward to bother. The only exception was if you needed that particular type of ore or mins and even then it was easier to forgo them and mine for isk and buy on market. In low, well its low. And in null it would be done once a day after dt if a new spawn and the bmk shared to corp or alliance and that was that. But that made null the safest of the areas to mine in. Because if you saw probes on scan you bolted, now theres much less time and mining is more unsafe than before which is a good thing given the nature of null imo. Ie before reaction time was in the 30s plus timezone now its in the 5-10s sorta range. That is good.

Again in high sec CODE is more interested in the static nature of ice belts than they are the ore anoms which are too infrequent to worry about. Nevermind that the vast majority of CODEs members were or are miners themselves and only running out other larger groups from mining "their" turf. So unless the rewards means that people flock to the anoms in record number the easier, static nature of ice in a specific system will drive the food chain there.

The old nature was tedious as it required an entirely different skill set, training, ship and time to accomplish. And thats in high for newbies, in null you arent a newbie or your with ppl that already arent and you have the bmk given to you. So in that sense it wasnt much more work, maybe 5 mins at most. The only aspect that was tedious was if you wanted to mine them exclusively and to search several regions before finding one was terribly tedious, especially given the rewards of one.

All in all I think the improvement was just that, an improvement. As an above poster pointed out its not optimal, but then what is really as someone will always complain anyway. I do kinda hope CCP will make new stuff for miners to do in the game, thatd be nice. But as it relates to the economy I think its in a pretty good supply/demand stage atm. Ice wasnt a few years ago and though I know I exploited that ***** like the lil whore she was it needed to go. Ore is at an interesting stage and CCP is obviously looking at it and tweaking it still with ore amounts and refine rates and such. So theyve obviously got their eye on it. I think prices are good as both an industrialist and a consumer and the volatility in the market is in a good place creating a lot of opportunities on both ends.

The new stations and stuff coming soon will also add another level on things I think, particularly for null sec. And though Id still likely have an affinity towards having probable mining opportunities exist as well as newer game play, its not a terrible necessity in terms of the economy or how the game is going.

The ore sites are obviously easier to gank people in, and easy to shotgun to.

Personally I don't know why they even exist, they just seem to make actual belts redundant wastes of space.

Who cares its mining

I will take this answer as anoms do not affect him.



I will take this to mean you like the ore anoms

otherwise however this thread is not about 'mining' it is about the effects and the change or not change of ore anoms as they were compared to now to the dynamics of gameplay in all aspects as far as they concern those dynamics.

1.) Would they have been better being left as scannable sites? (to include the new ice belts of highsec).

Yes for ore site, sort of for ice. I think that better loot shoot take more work, so sub-sec minables (ore and ice) should require scanning and same-sec minables should be anoms. No statics.

2.) As they stand now, not requiring probes; Are these sites actually better or worse in this format? why and what specifically?

This relates directly to 1.

3.) From a PvP stand point was it better/easier getting targets in the scannable anoms? or better in the no scanner required ones we have now?

I am not into ganking, but most anomalies I warp to are empty or omber. With the exception of ice anoms, which do generally attract a large number of gankers.

4.) I am curious on the impact of both industry/mining and pvp (to include tactics, etc) of the way the anoms work now. How have they changed for better or worse the dynamics of gameplay in a given region type?

For ore, I don't see them making a huge impact. They contain so little higher value ore that is scatter over a huge area that I actually think you end up making less isk than if you just mine statics. Ice is different since anoms are the only supply, but I see them as hit and miss for mining and pvp. Some days they are full of both types of pilots, some days they are oddly quiet. But at least the gankers take the time to be mobile and hunt for ice belts that are active in other systems.

5.) Do they drive things better as a conflict driver? Or do they restrict gameplay?

For low/null/WH it's yes to both. Instead of D-Scan Ning for probes, miners dock up for any unknown pilot.

6.) In highsec, why do people like player corps, or even CODE for that matter as an important example not visit them more often or fight over them? Are they really not that important? or has people just come to accept them or possibly gotten burned out trying to patrol Ore or Ice anoms?

For ore, they are unimportant. I have rarely even seen them fought over by miners, let alone gankers. Ice, I have flown through many ice systems to see red flashy guys making up half the system population. They get alot of visitors.

7.) New players(relatively, meaning playing for a year or less), is not requiring a probe scanner for anoms in highsec actually beneficial to you? or does not doing so make things more boring?

Even though I am older than a year, it does make it easy and boring. But statics are no different and most anoms are useless.

8.) Has not requiring them to be probed down taken away job roles for doing so? And were those previous job roles tedious?

When they were sigs I would ignore the possibility of ore sites unless I happen to be on an exploration run and stumbled on one. But with mobile depots and Orcas, it doesn't make a huge impact on roles.

9.) What is the pulse beat of other players that play this game in the perspective of Ore Anoms?", I am seriously curious what the average PvP'r or miner thinks about them in terms of overall gameplay and how they affect or do not affect the games dynamics(or meta-politics take your pick).

I think that current ore anoms and new sub-sec ice sites should be sigs. Make players work for a nice spot to mine. I also think that static ore and anom ice should be anoms, mainly because respawn should not be linked to DT. I also think that ice anoms should not be linked to one system, but should rove about the constellation, make everyone hunt every 4 hours instead of just sit in station till the next belt drops.