Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You have absolutely no clue, that or you're stating silliness on purpose to try and make your 100% application idea sound logical. either way: you're so wrong it's not even funny.

you could fly a MWD merlin almost straight at that Tornado and it would miss each and every time (apart from wrecking obviously). Versus a MWD Caracal you'd easily lose about 30% applied damage if he'd approach at ~10 degree angle, get it to 20 degrees and the applied damage becomes negligible. And it's not like those ships are the fastest & low sig representatives of their ship class.

It's almost as if turrets require tracking mods outside ideal (read: non-realistic) scenarios.

You'll notice his corp is "Say No to Features".

That set aside.
What in the actual F#CK???

If you fly a Merlin straight at a Tornado, you will be blasted into Oblivion.
If that Merlin is also running MWD, you might as well eject, because that Tornado will 1 shot you off the field.

As far as his suggestion of "non-realistic" scenarios.
I have blasted frigs off the field with an Tach fitted Oracle several times.
I can counter tracking issues by countering traversal, I can catch them on alignment, and I can catch them on a turn.
All of this without tracking mods.

Sniper fits rely HEAVILY on catching the target out of traversal.
Not too long back, just about everyone had a Tornado with 1400s sitting 200km off the gate blasting ships as soon as they came out of cloak...
If you came at them, they'd warp to another Snip position and blast you from there.

I would Like Tiberius Heth to name me one time where he has seen a missile boat used for sniping.
If he can, the I'll call him a flat out liar.

Time to avert ones eyes from this train wreck... To make these modules more feasible, they should be adjusted as follows:

Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Explosion Velocity Bonus 7.5% (was 5.5%)
Explosion Radius Bonus -7.5% (was -5.5%)
Missile Velocity Bonus 15% (was 6%)
Flight Time Bonus 0% (was 6%)

Missile Guidance Computer
Explosion Velocity Bonus 9.5% (was 7.5%)
Explosion Radius Bonus -9.5% (was -7.5%)
Missile Velocity Bonus 10% (was 5.5%)
Flight Time Bonus 0% (was 5.5%)

Except we're discussing missiles and missile application.

It's you. I'm thinking you missed that this is a Cruise Golem for Level 4 mission running that can use Fury ammo to one shot non-elite NPC cruisers.

I got that, I'm just thinking you don't need 4 modules to 1 shot.
You can Probably do it with 3 and have an extra mid for more tank.
Or, you can fit application rigs.
I really don't think the extra 1au war speed is really worth the isk costs to put those rigs on.

I can 1 shot non-elite frigs with just 3 target painters, same BCU setup as you, and a T2 Califaction rig.
Well.. I think I also have a 5% damage, 5% RoF, and a 5% application rig, but point still stands.

I used to mission in Nightmare, until they finally fixed the Golem, or rather, added bastion. (didn't really fix the ship, just gave it a good module.)

In that Nightmare, I had Tachyon lasers, a 100mn AB, a web and 1 or 2 TCs.
(I'm thinking I dropped down to 1 when I realized how effective I could be.)

I would blast frigs at range with Navy Infrared, which is the furthest range ammo I used, and would only use up to navy Multi.
If a frig got in orbit, I would web, pop in tracking script, and blap.
If I still couldn't hit them, I'd gas it and kick in AB to go almost 700m/s.

That's essentially two modules for application, and one as a back-up, that I had for gate chasing anyway.
I don't remember ever using the AB to counter range, as I would blap the frigs long before they ever got in orbit.
Only time this was an issue was when they were at orbit range at warp in... In which case, i used drones most of the time anyway.

As far as missiles go, I've always used at least two TPs, but preferably 3.
Apparently, you have to fit 4 to apply full damage on non-elite frigs, regardless of range, trajectory, or anything else.

IMO, this is just too much, especially considering most missile BSs don't have the slots to give up for that many application modules.
As far as the MGEs go, why would I give up anything in my low slots for that piece of junk?
I lose 42 DPS, gain range with cruise that I don't need (I can't even target to my max range without it), and I get what?
Another 6 m/s exp velocity and reduce my exp radius by less than 25m?

Not worth it by any means.

I would rather see high slot range modules, like with drones, that are all velocity and no flight time.
And would also like to see TPs changed to somewhat match what I mentioned in an earlier comment.

That, I could use.

I'm just saying, the modules they added don't fix anything.
They could have changed TPs and added a high slot range mod and it would have had a much better outcome.

I'm not speaking on the missiles themselves. they're still F'd up.
I'm only speaking the MGC and MGE.

http://imgur.com/lQiERIX

Tornado firing 1400mm at a MWD merlin in a straight line with Quake L and no other mods fitted.

Which part of "almost" don't you get. Give it some angle, show us the results.