EVE General Discussion

Hey cool, so you first logged into EVE around the time castor or exodus. OK then you should totally understand, no need to lecture you. You should already know how important it is to just fix stuff, not leave stuff broken for great periods of time to go create something else that'll be broken for great periods of time.

And since you were here while they worked on incarna, you know how even doing anything at all with the flight simula... er flight spaceship simulator (or submarine wars?) in regards to just fixing this game was more or less abandoned. But your theory that if they had kept working on the sims onlin... WiS, EVE would still be in it's better shape today compared to before they got called out on it all? This logic eludes me, to have experienced what you did and how you could suggest EVE would be just the same in the spaceship game if CCP had just gone on tooling with WiS to just add to this game. I'd give you a game suggestion to go off and play as well, but sorry, The SIMS Online closed long ago. Maybe angry birds?

Edit oooh as for your insult, what was that, some sort of British thing? Haha miners...

I keep seeing people writing, "EVE is about the people and the social networks you create," then I see all the people opposed to EVE players interacting in people shapes.

Not really. Plenty of vets around that are into that kind of thing.

It's more to do with people being taken out of their comfort zone. Vets will whine about anything, just look at the Aegis threads, particularly in wormholes section. All that crying and discomfort for the loss of few nullsec wormholes.

So now imagine how much whining and discomfort the thought of an entire new platform within the game for social and meta-interaction would bring? Like any part of EVE where players interact, be it local chat, forums, fleets, whatever, an avatar based interaction platform would spew forth a ton of space content. But many Vets are not familiar with that format, they will no longer be the "vets" in that arena, and will have to learn a whole new style of interacting with other players if they want a piece of the content that comes from that platform.

That's all it is. But nobody will admit that, they just throw a ton of other ::reasons:: in why avatar interaction would be the end of the world. It's 100% cultural.

It's just coding. CCP bit off more than they could chew, admitting to that. They disbanded the team. Ships + Avatars is just not something rational, not unless some multi-billion dollar company is going to tackle it, like M$ which for all that would be worth. If it were not so, it would have been done.

Whenever it's done, if it makes it in, one or the other suffers. EnB, SWG (historically speaking), both had ships+avatars, but one or the other sucked. In fact SWG had to do a whole source code rewrite, didn't even make ships at launch it was so hard, came in first expansion and was never really great. EVE is just another on that list, where it really didn't work out, and they were sane enough to realize it at some point rather than sacrificing the entire game. Even if the technology were there, it's a shitstorm of investment to ever do it right, if that is even possible.

I voter for saving jobs at CCP, because this game is about the best of pew pew in space rather than splitting the difference and winding up with something mediocre, for both ships+avatars. And for a game that is well into it's run, it's more than just doubly dangerous. But in the end, my vote doesn't matter, CCP left that intention long-long ago. These topics are just for giggles. About as straight as you'll get from me. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

IMO it's not vets vs new players (I'm sure some new players would want avatar play, but also notice it's a lot of veteran players keeping the WiS discussion alive). It's more complicated than that.

One one side you have people who (as you say) "get it" and enjoy what the game already offers and don't see how CCP spending time adding something to the game that almost all of us can already do in real life (walking around, most of us can do that unless you're wheelchair bound lol) would add a single thing of value.
Personally, I was born with legs, I wasn't born with Warp Engines lol. 99% of available games offer some kind of walking avatar, walking avatars would add nothing to the game for people like me, and there are quite a few of us. Walkign on legs isn't going to make me able to kill NPCs faster or scan down sigs better.

On the other hand you have the "immersion" crowd. The people who would literally log into a video game with space ships and a player run market and instead of flying a spaceship or playing "spaceship market tycoon", they would activate their fake person, walk on fake legs to a fake bar on a fake space station, order a fake drink they can't even taste and sit at a fake window watching a fake planet slowly rotate around it's fake ass axis (lol). The desire for all that fake stuff demonstrates a need for some not so fake medicine (lol, just kidding).

More seriously, the immersion crowd sees the game as shallow without WiS, while people like me LOVE the rather 'spartan'/no nonsense nature of EVE online. That no-nonsense game has made it this far and it would be foolish for CCP to alter that in hopes of realizing some unrealistic dream of a 'complete sci-fi universe' with avatars and atmospheric flight ect, especially since every single past attempt has failed.

Every.single.one.

Nope nothing so much as specifically bettering the game....im only talking about the RL money aspects of CCP, i for one woldnt mind some graphics and things to do in station once in awhile. spend most of my time in space myself. but as to maybe a way of acquiring more accounts based on those people that would spend a lot of time in that enviorment.....well if they sub for a year...even 100 of those type of players would be like at least 13k into CCP's pocket....meaning more revenue for us to have a better space game. That is what I am talking about, adding the fluff to get those players to spend their cash here....and if they are still wow-ish like if they ever undock....well we get to awox, kill, pod, scam them which is what we would do anyway.

Edit: oh in retrospect of the way im thinking, i do not expect to EVER see it happen, but fantasy sake, lets say we somehow get 1 million such targets/players.....thats at least 130 million $ revenue for CCP to better our space gaming experience.

So you're just getting into semantics. Because guess what? If they started working on that stuff after "playing with dolls," TiDi would be brand new.

Get it into your head that they were actively working on improving the engine of the game during Incarna. It's what the dev blogs show. It's true. TiDi would not have happened when it did otherwise.

And, speaking of mythologizing:



So making up a bunch of convenient fictions to support your argument is not shitposting or trolling? That's new.

For the record, I've been interested in this for years. I got interested with the first CCP Veritas dev blog I saw, and read everything from CCP that I could find. And "EVE killers" are a joke. There is no game like EVE, and there are no games in the pipeline like EVE. I have contributed $0 to Star Citizen, $0 to Elite:Dangerous, and so on, because they're not EVE. So please, try to stick to what you know. I know it's hard when you're used to comforting myths, but it's worth trying.

and here I have to disagree with you on the sentiments your writing........
hmmm, why would a Mcdonalds try to make a better bigmac or increase its sales like 2 for 5......because the sales are dropping or nobody is buying it.

Now as to CCP....the already announced at fanfest last year basically to the world.....that CCP is only going to work on the EVE UNIVERSE from here on out. That entails that they are going to work on products only pertaining to the EvE Universe, whether thats hardware, integrating current gamelines together, creating new things for those games....ie WiS.

Now its true some of the money will be pocketed, CCP is not a public shares investors company so that means shareholders are basically internal or have been with the company as a owner or some high managment position. Of course they will pocket some of the money, the game belongs to them. Paychecks, overhead, better hardware....leaving a slim margine for eventually enlarging their ability to create more, even better, and maybe even faster things for the playerbase to utilize.

I am sure they are people that stay, but in my experience the ones that dont sub up, and the ones that sub up for a month and leave permenantly far out number the the ones that stay. Add my experience to the things i observe from listening to others 1 in 10 or 12 people actually stay in EvE for various reasons.....and thats on top of the growing number of veterans(2 or more yrs playing) leaving the game. Its not an epidemic....yet.

But it would behoove CCP and also us the players to support them in this to start doing something now, rather than wait till EvE is on the brink of shutdown because of fianicial concerns.
And i beg to ask you the question....Why would you personally care if such fluff exsisted as long as it brought in paying customers?
Personally i think it would be great to do that, if they dont undock who cares CCP has their money, if they do undock....Who Cares....we the player base already know how to deal with and train them to actually play.
Im simply a proponent that watches the stalemate of null, and the listness of high....and both could be fixed....if we had more players for whatever reason.....there is not enough carrots, and im simply proposing that CCP make a garden full of them and watch the rabbits come to try and gorge themselves.

WIS : Started out as a very nice daydream which eventually turned into a very bad nightmare.






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Coding is not really a problem. The WIS component would not even have to be a part of the EvE client. It could be written standalone and only need to pull and push data to and from market, wallets and chat channels. It could easily be based on an already established and tested game engine. Decent crowd sourcing and it could probably be done free with help from players contributing coding design and artwork.

Edit: one of the really beneficial things about such a change would be the ability to offload players onto the WIS system when docked up. Instead of jumping into Jita with 2k in local you could jump in with only those in system in local.

The docked, docked AFK and docked spammers would be in WIS. Could still camp stations, could still spam but you'd just have to be in space meaning killable which would be great.