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Found: Gaming Harassment Comes From Losers: Official

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-07-22 13:56:55 UTC
Without further ado (click)

The results complies to my own online experience.

The lower the skills, the more aggressive to other, seemingly weaker players...
Twisted

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2015-07-22 14:01:55 UTC
We already know this. Just look at the abuse gankers have to withstand from the losers who get killed by them.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#3 - 2015-07-22 14:02:30 UTC
stop feeding CODE
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-07-22 14:03:08 UTC
Poor gankers indeed!

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."

Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-07-22 14:33:19 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Without further ado (click)

The results complies to my own online experience.

The lower the skills, the more aggressive to other, seemingly weaker players...
Twisted



All the sweeter to outperform the little wannabes in every possible way (and kill them, loot their corpse and, if possible, call in their moms.)
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#6 - 2015-07-22 14:35:16 UTC
As a female character and elite PvP player (#74 in 2014) I can only second this observation. I usually pod the loser out of the system as a precaution so I don't have to listen to their verbal abuse in local.
Aladar Dangerface
Protean Concept
Moss Piglet Preservation Society
#7 - 2015-07-22 14:58:32 UTC
I'm **** at eve but don't abuse people, what gives? Shocked

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2015-07-22 15:02:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
La Rynx wrote:
Without further ado (click)

The results complies to my own online experience.

The lower the skills, the more aggressive to other, seemingly weaker players...
Twisted


If your statement is based purely off that study as summarised in the link, then how did you draw that conclusion? The study highlighted gender issues as quoted:

Quote:
..lower-skilled players were more hostile towards a female-voiced teammate, especially when performing poorly. In contrast, lower-skilled players behaved submissively towards a male-voiced player in the identical scenario. This difference in gender-directed behavior became more extreme with poorer focal-player performance.


The conclusion you have drawn (more general in nature) isn't supported by that link, nor by the original study, with the full abstract:

Quote:
Abstract
Gender inequality and sexist behaviour is prevalent in almost all workplaces and rampant in online environments. Although there is much research dedicated to understanding sexist behaviour, we have almost no insight into what triggers this behaviour and the individuals that initiate it. Although social constructionist theory argues that sexism is a response towards women entering a male dominated arena, this perspective doesn’t explain why only a subset of males behave in this way.

We argue that a clearer understanding of sexist behaviour can be gained through an evolutionary perspective that considers evolved differences in intra-sexual competition. We hypothesised that female-initiated disruption of a male hierarchy incites hostile behaviour from poor performing males who stand to lose the most status. To test this hypothesis, we used an online first-person shooter video game that removes signals of dominance but provides information on gender, individual performance, and skill. We show that lower-skilled players were more hostile towards a female-voiced teammate, especially when performing poorly. In contrast, lower-skilled players behaved submissively towards a male-voiced player in the identical scenario. This difference in gender-directed behaviour became more extreme with poorer focal-player performance.

We suggest that low-status males increase female-directed hostility to minimize the loss of status as a consequence of hierarchical reconfiguration resulting from the entrance of a woman into the competitive arena. Higher-skilled players, in contrast, were more positive towards a female relative to a male teammate. As higher-skilled players have less to fear from hierarchical reorganization, we argue that these males behave more positively in an attempt to support and garner a female player’s attention. Our results provide the clearest picture of inter-sexual competition to date, highlighting the importance of considering an evolutionary perspective when exploring the factors that affect male hostility towards women.
Wacktopia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-07-22 15:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
La Rynx wrote:
Without further ado (click)

The results complies to my own online experience.

The lower the skills, the more aggressive to other, seemingly weaker players...
Twisted



This thread lacks content. All you have done is link an article, referenced your own experience without detailing what that is, and summarise a minor point (general aggression) whilst missing the major one; behavioural differences regarding gender.

Edit: Scipio Artelius beat me to it :( And I double-posted :( What shiptoasting on my part :(

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-07-22 15:12:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
We already know this. Just look at the abuse gankers have to withstand from the losers who get killed by them.

Confirming
the more incompetent the more vitriolic slurry
Tarfol
Exigent Circumstances
CAStabouts
#11 - 2015-07-22 16:23:27 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
As a ... elite PvP player ...


Try it with folks who shoot back.

Far more interesting that way.

I usually post with my main...but not this time...

Tarfol
Exigent Circumstances
CAStabouts
#12 - 2015-07-22 16:26:35 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
stop feeding CODE


First, there's that.

Tippia wrote:
We already know this. Just look at the abuse gankers have to withstand from the losers who get killed by them.


Then, there's that.

OP, stop whining. It serves no purpose. Even if you're right.

I usually post with my main...but not this time...

Anslo
Scope Works
#13 - 2015-07-22 16:30:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
We already know this. Just look at the abuse gankers have to withstand from the losers who get killed by them.

Or the smart ass comments from a **** poster F5'ing for threads to troll because he has too much time on his hands B)

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-07-22 17:05:16 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Scipio Artelius wrote:

The conclusion you have drawn (more general in nature) isn't supported by that link, nor by the original study, with the full abstract:


LOL

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Tarfol wrote:

OP, stop whining. It serves no purpose. Even if you're right.


ts ts ts...
i do not whine!
I have no reason to!

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2015-07-22 18:04:38 UTC
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2015-07-22 18:07:56 UTC
All i got from that article is that people who lose in a PvP game are more likely to abuse female gamers than they are male gamers.

Some people don't like losing, and they like it even less when they lose to a female; I think they feel emasculated by it.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#17 - 2015-07-22 18:23:12 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
All i got from that article is that people who lose in a PvP game are more likely to abuse female gamers than they are male gamers.

Some people don't like losing, and they like it even less when they lose to a female; I think they feel emasculated by it.


Also, I read somewhere that the average age of a Halo player (which is the only game the article looked at) is in his/her late teens, where the average age of an EVE pilot is in his/her late 20's.

No surprise at all that younger people act more immaturely when they lose than older people.
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#18 - 2015-07-22 20:25:01 UTC
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Division 13
#19 - 2015-07-22 20:36:32 UTC
Tarfol wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
As a ... elite PvP player ...


Try it with folks who shoot back.

Far more interesting that way.

Most have and probably do.

Always amuses me a little when people are left with the impression that CODE pilots are full-time mains.

Sure, there might be a couple in the mix, but ftom my experience most codies I know are alts of everyone from nullsec pilots to wormholers and ... even highsec carebears. They just enjoy a bit of highsec gank shenanigans on the side.

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Marsha Mallow
#20 - 2015-07-22 21:32:27 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
All i got from that article is that people who lose in a PvP game are more likely to abuse female gamers than they are male gamers.

Some people don't like losing, and they like it even less when they lose to a female; I think they feel emasculated by it.

The expanded bit Scipio linked makes more sense, remember they're talking about people on the same team rather than victors/losers. Must admit I've never really thought about the social hierarchy side with people in competition over perceived status before.

I just thought the people who were arses to women ingame were wierd insecure basement dwelling midget virgins and left it at that. But thinking about it... it really does reflect some of the dynamics, because there's a huge amount of neediness emanating from the people who engage in that sort of behaviour, and it doesn't seem to be an age thing. I lurk for as long as possible in new corps and alliances without speaking in comms, then watch the massive shift in attitude with amusement. You get to hear people slagging off other women in the group at that stage and the stuff they come out is quite interesting.

It sounds very much like human pack mentality - and I suppose it shouldn't be surprising to see it manifest in a competitive/social environment. Thinking about it - other than the workplace - there are hardly any environments where social competition isn't divided by gender (I'm thinking sports). So maybe online gaming social interractions are highlighting behaviour that is normally tricky to evaluate. The only thing the report doesn't mention is how to address it going forward. A bit of awareness on the part of the 'alpha' males would help them manage online group dynamics.

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